These Days

November 18, 2007

Lifes Rich Pageant marks the beginning of R.E.M.’s blatantly political period. Admirably, R.E.M. didn’t leap into the deep end of facile sloganeering, but instead crafted lyrics that mixed social/political critiques with an expression of optimistic idealism and self-aware humility. “These Days” in particular comes off like a rock n’ roll stump speech, with Michael Stipe semi-coherently hitting all of his talking points and selling us on his vision without letting us know exactly what that might entail. Applying the aesthetics of a political speech to a rock song is a brilliant move, especially when you consider that there’s quite a lot in common between hitting the campaign trail and touring in support of an album. The most important effect of “These Days” is that without saying all that much, it makes the listener believe that the band is extremely passionate about something, and that mysterious something involves imagining a better future. Throughout the song, the emphasis is placed on inclusiveness, to the point of mocking its own starry-eyed sincerity when Michael claims “we have many things in common, name three,” and the rest of the band sing “three, three, three!” in reply. The humor is absolutely necessary — without an acknowledgment of its irony, the song would actually seem a bit disingenuous.

2,693 Responses to “These Days”

  1. Andy Says:

    Is that Mike Mills that sings “three! three! three!”?? When listening on headphones, I’ve always heard it as Mike, then Bill, and then Michael each singing one of the threes…

    A great song.

  2. xman Says:

    you, me, you, if i can, and i can…

    greatness, slamming, urgent, nice guitar licks…like little america on low grade speed.

    there’s a certain level of bizarreness in these old skool political songs missing from ignoreland, revolution, ats-stuff..happy throngs take this joy? ok, if you say so!

  3. milesy Says:

    Great song, classic REM- I agree that the mix of self-aware humour and seriousness really makes it. (this mix works nicely on Tourfilm as Mike holds up his fingers to emphasise that this song has THREE main points, on which you will be tested).

    ‘We are young despite the years, we are concerned, we are hope despite the times.’ It’s a heady mix of gritty realism (about something, whatever it is…) and optimism. Fine work indeed.

    Is it really ‘I wish to eat each one you’? (as lyrics archive says). I’ve always sung (shouted, bellowed, keened…) ‘I wish to MEET each one of you…’- which is a striking thought when Michael sings it in the large venues of the Green Tour during his World Leader Pretend coming-to-terms-with-and-learning-to enjoy/manipulate-being-a-star period. He may wish to meet each one- but, alternatively, he could turn you inside out if he chooses to. Maybe it is ‘eat each one’ after all…

  4. ScottMalobisky Says:

    OOOOOOWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAALLL
    YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
    roll the bones
    he can meet and eat whoever he damn well pleases

  5. Figgy Says:

    Brilliant song. One of my all-time favourites. Never fails to satisfy. Great to sing and shout along to, great to jump about to.

    I’d never thought about it before but as MP says in his review, this song manages to be positive, passionate and somehow meaningful even though the lyrics are quite vague. I always feel some swell of emotion when singing along with ‘These Days’ – “we are hope despite the times” gives me a feeling of empowerment when belted out at the top of my voice.

    And in response to milesy, I always thought it was “meet” and not “eat”. But I’ll listen to the track carefully soon just to see if “eat” is the word used later in the song.

  6. Kirsten Says:

    My first reaction as I read Milesy’s comments was – Of course it’s meet! Then after a little thought I suppose it could be eat, this is REM after all. I think I’ll stick with singing Meet though.

    I don’t have much to add that hasn’t already been said. I absolutely LOVE the music, but i’m not sure what it is about it that I love. I suppose it’s just all good! And I was going to write a favourite line, but I couldn’t pick one – there’s too many highlights! Great song. Great REM. Hope for more like this on the new album.

  7. 2d Says:

    i think it’s alternating between “meet” and “eat”, and i love mike’s closing line “take away the scattered bones of my meal”, which clearly makes reference to the “eat” line. very tongue-in-cheek in a sly, smart, twist of phrase kind of way (only surpassed by the clever play on “pilgrimage” with “your luck…” *lyrical pause, cymbal hit instead, taking you off-guard*). not to mention, this song is vibrant, punky, funny and fun to sing along to!

  8. Kirsten Says:

    2d, That makes perfect sense that they would switch between the two. Especially as it does fit in with that last line and the first line – “Now I’m not feeding off you”. I’m happy with that answer and will sing meet the first time and eat the second.
    :-)

  9. Mr Cup Says:

    …I will re-arrange your scales…

    I always really liked:
    I had a hat and it sunk, reached down,
    yanked it up, slapped it on my head

    I think it was this songa dn Stipes performance of it on the Green tour that earned him some comparisons to John Lydon at the time.
    He did have a ‘tasmanian devil’ thing happening on this one. You know, from the cartoon?

    And I always heard an eat in there as well.

  10. Paul Alferink Says:

    Love this album. The energy and vitality. How fantastic are these first three songs? Begin the Begin, These Days and Fall on Me (my favorite song by anyone, anywhere)? Really, the rest of the album could be Sophie B Hawkins mewling into a microphone and it would still be a great album. Perhaps it is largely on the strength of the first three that make this my favorite album. I think my second fav is Green and that, (Pop Song 89, Get up, Your are the Everything) is probably the only album that comes close to kick your ass with three straight great songs to start an album. Fables is nice (Feeling Gravitys Pull, Maps and Legends, Driver 8) but it lacks the song that just kicks your ass out of bed in the morning, (Like Get up or These Days or Begin the Begin.

    Best Lyrics:
    We are young despite the years we are concern
    We are hope despite the times
    All of the sudden, these days
    Happy throngs, take this joy wherever, wherever you go.

  11. Paul Alferink Says:

    Ok so Driver 8 can’t end a parenthetical without getting an emoticon . . .

  12. Mr Cup Says:

    ahem…Document?

  13. Kirsten Says:

    ahem…Monster?

  14. Mr Cup Says:

    I didn’t know it at the time but it was brought to my attention in the post of ‘unseen power of the picket fence’. The ‘march into the ocean, march into the sea’ line was a reference to Sherman’s march.

    The things you learn!

    So who is the character being played in the song? He wants your vote but he doesn’t have your best interests at heart. The shakers in the instrumental section imply a rattlesnake. Is it re-arranging or being re-arranged? Or shedding it’s skin?

  15. maclure Says:

    Gone out for the day, come in, and find that everyone has said everything already about one of your favourite songs already. Why I… Still mustn’t grumble, I am young despite the years…

    Just, what a gobsmackingly great song. LRP is my favourite album and this follow-up punch after Begin the Begin is awesome. You’ve all said what I wanted to say. Agree with Paul Alferink about best lyrics. I like the ambiguity – I am young, despite the years – has two meanings to me. I am young (at heart), despite living many years AND I am young (and optimistic, full of ideas), despite these years I live in (which are negative and devoid of ideas).

    Also, this song is an example of the break-it-down middle 8 of song writing. Instead of a solo or another part or a key change, the instruments peal away and then build up together for the third verse. And for me, it works very well and pre-empts Orange Crush which also does this with Michael shouting through a megaphone over the break-it-down middle 8. I think These Days could have been on Green for a number of reasons, but I’m not one to question the wisdom of the gods and I am very happy with where it is, thank you very much.

  16. maclure Says:

    Er, and while agreeing with Paul’s point that LRP is the best for first 3 songs… I will second Kirsten’s ahem.

  17. protimoi86 Says:

    Fantastic song, and it seems like they’ve revisited this state of mind. The new material has an urgency not heard on an R.E.M. album since this era, but of course it’s all about moving forward, not looking back.

    I can barely wait for the new album, but in the meantime I’ll just put on this song and sing along. Does it to me every time.


  18. I think I might get into it in “Begin the Begin,” but I think one of the really awesome things about Lifes Rich Pageant is that the first four songs are like these perfect archetypes of a first, second, third, and fourth song on a rock album.

  19. maclure Says:

    Oh, while admitting we should let sleeping dogs lie and not wanting to flog dead horses, remember the discussion following MP’s “Leaving New York” post where many pointed out that “Leaving was never my proud” was grammatically incorrect. “We are concern” is surely also incorrect… It should be we are concerned or is he saying that they embody the definition of “concern”? My point is that the proud lyric from LNY never jumped out at me as being a real problem, because lyrics are slippery things, especially in the hands of Mr.Stipe, and I don`t think they need to stand up to exact grammatical scrutiny. Or am I missing the point?

    And with this little rant as an aside I feel like I could be Scott “Bisky the Doormat” Malobisky……. (no offence to either Scott or Binky intended).

    It’s tired and I’m late.

  20. Mr Cup Says:

    I’m glad you put the 4th in there Matthew. It is quite an imposing start isn’t? It’s making me rethink my long held devotion to Document. I fluctuate between the two but usually settle on Document if pushed for an all time fave. Fall On Me trumps anything on it though.


  21. Maclure, the problem with “leaving was never my proud” is not necessarily that it is grammatically terrible, but that it sounds clunky and weird in context. “We are concern” — or “we are concerned,” as I hear it, but nevermind — flows really well with the song, it doesn’t really stick out. I can think of loads of examples of great songs where words are used incorrectly, or grammar is thrown out the window, so that’s not really my bias.

  22. Kirsten Says:

    I think that in this context “concern” could be taken as a noun…

  23. Beethoven Was Deaf Says:

    I love LRP and this song for me has always been solid, bit I don’t love it. Not sure why, its thunderous RAWK and has a cool lyric, just doesn’t move me emotionally, only musically. That likely does not make any sense.

  24. Tim Says:

    Absolutely fantastic song from an absolutely fantastic album.

    These Days is in my R.E.M. top 5 for sure.

  25. Kirsten Says:

    Kicks ass live!

  26. jft Says:

    ’bout the “first four” thing (which works for me as well, definitely, even if I’m not really that big a fan of “Fall On Me”, it just works in context of the album) – to me it’s more a “first five” thing, that studio of Hyena is great and really recalls the opening two. those five first songs being continued in a good way would easily make it my favourite album, but I suppose (to me) LRP would have worked better as an EP…

  27. Mr Cup Says:

    A stoney silence has come over me…

  28. Dark Bob Says:

    A great song from a great album. One of REM’s “Finest Hours”. LRP at the time was a real departure from their previous albums. Much heavier, more political. Can’t say enough good things about it.

  29. ScottMalobisky Says:

    maclure , I like your insightful comments about the middle 8 as opposed to a more typical key change or bridge sorta approach…”where’s that confounded bridge?” .That song ‘Badge’ by CREAM got it’s name cuz’ one of the band members saw “bridge” on the music sheet , thought it said “badge”…….This is my favorite REM song , well it was at that specific moment but now it’s a couple of moments later , a white line to the end of time it’s what you are or are you just another line in the field of time???????

  30. adam Says:

    perhaps the greatest REM tune of all.. glad to see it still surfaces live. perhaps the greatest musical moment of my life.. the first song of ‘86 Pageantry tour 1st song THESE DAYS.. such rock and roll punch – very stipe dance moves .. the best.

  31. lenny Says:

    “…very stipe dance moves”
    – Wow, first there’s the grammatical comments on “we are concern” and now we see “stipe” as an adjective. Very trendy use of our language.

    I wish I could have seen this band in 1986 to see most of this album performed live. The raw energy and urgency of songs like this one make it my clear favorite REM album. It’s also makes it in my top 5 albums of all time.

    About “These days” — I love the music and the way the lines about “the hat” just flow, but can anyone translate that into anything meaningful? (I’m talking about — “I had a hat and it sunk, reached down, yanked it up, slapped it on my head”).

  32. adam Says:

    I know he had a hat on live when performing.. that black hat – with the messy hair pouring out.. there was a great huge photo in the LA TIMES for the review of the show at the then Irvine Meadows amphitheatre.. rainy night.. they opened with Have you Ever seen the Rain.. followed by These Days.

  33. Andy\ Says:

    Matthew,
    You changed the posting–unless I imagined the reference to Mike Mills singing “three!three!three!” But no one’s answered my question: who actually sings the “three!three!three!”?

    And as for the “first four” and “first five” posts, it seems to me we’re just a bunker away from just saying that Side One of LRP is perfect!

    Love all the postings!

  34. LITTLE WILLY Says:

    I HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE

    when in this song he sings about “beat you off” with masturbation, is that political mastuerbation (I suck you you vote for me) or normal sensual masterubation with the hand?

    I always wondered with this song I have many questions.

    Exclude my English please, I do not liv ine America and bush is an idiot so I never will unless he dies

    –Andy
    From FINLAND

  35. Eclipse Says:

    This song always reminds me “Begin the Begin”; something about the drive of it and the guitar line and the feelings it invokes are very reminiscent of BtB.

    I love the ending of this song: “…whereever, whereEVER – YOU! – GOOO-OOO-OOO!” It’s like he just couldn’t let go of or ground the energy in it. Great to shout along to!

  36. ScottMalobisky Says:

    stipey
    stipe as an adverb
    this is the new stuff
    I come dancing in

  37. jim jos Says:

    one of my favorites from one of my favorite cds.

    Does anyone have a take on what the whole

    “I had a hat I put it down and it sunk, reached down,
    Yanked it up, slapped it on my head”

    I know not every lyric means something, but I have never really known what that line represented.

  38. jim jos Says:

    sorry, Lenny, I see you asked the same thing. I will second your question!

  39. Kirsten Says:

    Keep your hat on your head……..

  40. Kirsten Says:

    Eclipse: I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. If I start singing one in my head, I often end up singing the other. There is something very similar about the two songs. Luckily, they’re both really good, so it doesn’t matter.
    Second your thought on the great ending, too.

  41. ScottMalobisky Says:

    I don’t really think it means anything….but my such energy and animation in a couple of lines about a hat , eh ?…Ain’t seen such excitement in a freaking hat since the leopard skin pill-box variety… I like in Tourfilm , the way Stipe fails the Sobriety Test at the edge of the stage then starts spinning like a whirling dervish while flailing like an antelope that jumped from a building.

  42. Bruno Says:

    Yup, the 1-2 punch and then Fall On Me saw them just firing on all cylinders. Top of their game stuff (one of their peaks if no the highest). ‘Begin’ had them doing Rock! for perhaps the first time but not bad Rock! but still with mystery and mantra. ‘These Days’ sounded like a rally cry to me. A statement for some kind of revolution (‘We are young. We are concern. We are hope’). I thought Stipe was singing ‘take this choice wherever, wherever you go’ Empowerment. Individualism, change, well..hope.

    Damn fine sounds indeed. I agree, that 1-2-3 (4-5-etc) punch stands as one of the finest ever.

  43. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Adam,I saw a few shows at Irvine Ampitheater .Iron Maiden with WASP and T&A as the opening acts for one…….I remember slam dancing and rolling down the hill in the mud slop. I was a crazy animal…it was ‘86 and I hadnt a whiff of REM

  44. Mr Cup Says:

    Change…is what I believe in…

    For me the hat thing is change. Maybe it’s too obvious but it ties in with the rattlesnake stuff as well, shedding skin. Or it’s based on this one time at band camp when Stipes hat fell off and he picked it up, put it back on. Crazy times.

  45. Kirsten Says:

    I thought the “Hat” line was along the lines of “I’ll trip, fall, pick myself up and walk unafraid”.

  46. Kirsten Says:

    But where’s the change? He picks it up & puts it back on and keeps on going, same as before.

  47. Kirsten Says:

    And what’s with all the youth references on LRP?

    We are young, despite the years.

    I’m so young, I’m so God Damn Young!

    When I was young and fever fell, my spirit I will not tell.

    And I think there’s one more, but I can’t think of it…

  48. ScottMalobisky Says:

    AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH we are the youth gone wild AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    leaving was never my Miles Standish proud

  49. Bruno Says:

    Clearly the hat is a reference to Sir William Edgar, the inventor of the top hat and celebrated in his time as a damn fine fellow. It is also a sly play on the french word Chapeau, as the french are well known for their love of all things headware. And remember there might be acid rain.’ Course you have to keep your ‘hat’ up on top when home is a long way awaaaaayyyyyy.

  50. ScottMalobisky Says:

    clearly :)

  51. Mr Cup Says:

    Yes, fair point Kirsten. The opportunity to change was there to try a new hat on. But he didn’t. Put the same one back on. Like a rattlesnake. Keeps the same skin. Don’t look for me reason, it’s not fair I can’t even type!

    Youth references….it’s about 22 years since it came out remember

    As an aside, I was going to let it go but I didn’t sleep very well last night with this injustice hanging over me:

    Life’s Rich Pageant. An Ep. AN EP??????!!!!!
    Have you no decency Sir?

  52. Kirsten Says:

    “We are concern” is what I was up all night thinking about. Luckily it was probably too hot to sleep anyway. It’s still giving me a headache, but I’m relatively sure I’m right. I think. I’ve got LRP to listen to tonight on my way home from work, so I’ll think about it whilst listening to it. That might help.

  53. Kirsten Says:

    On the topic of the LRP EP, I’m curious as to which songs you would cut JFT.

  54. Mr Cup Says:

    Happy Thongs
    Take this Joy
    Wherever you go

  55. maclure Says:

    Life imitates art. This post and this thread are like a long, youthful, at times non-sensical, raucous, joyful expression of something… it’s what These Days would look like if it were a blog.

  56. lenny Says:

    I’m laughing hysterically at Mr Cup’s comment… “Have you no decency sir?” I had the same reaction — an EP??? WTF?? JFT would be absolutely mobbed over at the swings for that blasphemy. Also, Mr Cup, I think it’s happy throngs, not happy thongs (despite how happy thongs would be).

    BTW – Thanks for all the “hat” comments, everyone. I like the acid rain bit. Well, rain could be a factor, because the line said the hat “sunk”, which implies that water was somehow involved. But it’s probably more of an abstract concept instead — I think it means he had an idea (since the hat was on his head), he faced some resistance, and it got shot down, but he is staying true to what he believes by putting the hat back on. “…yanked it up, slapped it on my head” implies that this act was done with some defiance, as if to say, no one is ever going to make me stop believing what I believe. OK, that’s enough… my throat hurts, and my shirt is wearing thin.

  57. Paul Alferink Says:

    About Monsters three:
    Okay, firstly, King of Comedy is a weak song. So it gets eliminated. And while WTF,K easily equals Begin the Begin as a fantastic first song that sets the records tone, that leave Crush w/ Eyeliner in a steel cage grudge match with FALL ON ME, for godssakes! Listens, I can cite evidence that Fall on me is REM’s greatest song. Firstly, I wrote it up there in an earlier post (Alferink 10). Secondly, Michael Stipe said it (Stipe 91), and I pretty sure he was high when he called any other REM song his favorite song.

    Works Cited:
    Alferink, Paul “Why Fall on Me Kicks so Much Ass, and your song isn’t as good” Pops Songs ‘89 ED: Matthew Perpetua 2007.
    Stipe, Michael “MTV Unplugged” New York 1991

    See! I cited everything, that means you can’t argue!

    And for Document, I never like Finest Worksong as much as everyone else, but I’ll grant you that most people would put it at least on par with Begin the Begin. But Welcome to the Occupation is a little weak. And Exhuming McCarthy runs into Fall on Me (see above).

  58. lenny Says:

    Well said, Paul. LRP gets my vote for the best 3 songs to open an album (and the best 12 for that matter).

    I think the toughest competition (for tracks 1-2-3) actually comes from Automatic for the People, not Monster or Document. I love the opening three of AFTP, but #2 is where Try Not to Breathe still falls quite a bit short of These Days.

  59. narcizo Says:

    Feeling Gravity’s Pull, Maps And Legends, Driver 8.
    The pulled that stunt just a year before LRP, and guess what: it f***in’ works, at least for me!

  60. milesy Says:

    It seems so obvious and unoriginal… but, Radio Free Europe, Pilgramage, Laughing, anyone?

  61. milesy Says:

    That, of course, would be PilgrImage…

  62. milesy Says:

    BTW, I’m starting to enjoy this kind of tag-team approach where we put songs in a ring, and let them fight it out. I find myself wondering what would happen if Wendell Gee took on Old Man Kensey…

  63. ScottMalobisky Says:

    ….well , it depends , which one of them thar roosters got a sharper pecker ?………..(lenny , Mr. Cup was joking me thinks…..about the happy thongs …happy tongs …a happy Chinese Association Society or the kitchenware of shiny happy people?)

  64. lenny Says:

    speaking of roosters…

    Swan Swan Hummingbird vs. Heron House (or King of Birds)

  65. maclure Says:

    I used to play the computer game Worms into the wee hours of the night in my teens… (does anyone know what I’m talking about?). Anyway, you could name the characters in your team of worms what you wanted and they would fight it out against other teams. I had a team of REM characters. Wendall Gee and Old Man Kensey were prominant members along with Lenny Bruce, Andy Kaufman and Miles Standish. So, that’s not exactly what you’re talking about, I know, Milesy, but I can confirm these worms carried a mean punch and more or less held their own against other teams. Against each other? My money’s on Old Man Kensey…

    I still say Monster has a great opening 3 (actually, a perfect first 6 in my opinion). Its true I can’t compete with Alferinks citations and Fall in Me is sort of unbeatable, but King of Comedy is such an underrated song. One of my 3 faves from Monster.

  66. ScottMalobisky Says:

    can’t kill the rooster, this from the man in the box, down in a hole

  67. jft Says:

    can anyone tell me what the great thing about “fall on me” is? i mean, it’s not a bad song, but… i just feel no difference, i even think it to be one of the not-so-good songs of the i.r.s. years, but it seems almost everyone else thinks different.

    well, maybe we’ll come back to this when “Fall On Me” is discussed…

  68. Beethoven Was Deaf Says:

    I think the best opening trifecta has to be (…drum roll please …) Fables of the Reconstuction! Although if I was doing my ultimate REM 3-song album opener it would be:

    1. Drive
    2. Losing My Religion
    3. Orange Crush

    For some reason those three songs have always fit together for me and I always start out REM mix CD’s with that holy trilogy of songs.

  69. Beethoven Was Deaf Says:

    jft, I don’t know man, for me Fall On Me, Driver 8, and So. Central Rain are the apex of the IRS years and the archetypal songs of the REM sound.

  70. jft Says:

    hmn…

    Driver 8 is just great. So. Central Rain is really, really good. Fall On Me is… okay

    just my opinion, will stop about that for now

    best opening 2: LRP; best opening 4: close one between FOTR and AFTP =)

  71. milesy Says:

    jft, as you say, no doubt we’ll come back to Fall On Me. But for the time being, great things about it would be (in no particular order):
    lyrics
    backing vocals
    bridge
    opening guitar notes
    drums
    etc

    For me, it’s close to perfect, I have to admit. Yep, ‘Here’s another song… this is my favourite song…’

    PS I think the accoustic versions from around 1991 serve to emphasize what a great song this is.

  72. 2d Says:

    best opener: “the lifting”
    best 1-2: “what’s the frequency, kenneth?” / “crush with eyeliner”
    best 1-2-3: “radio free europe” / “pilgrimage” / “laughing”
    best 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8: “begin the begin” / “these days” / “fall on me” / “cuyahoga” / “hyena” / “underneath the bunker” / “the flowers of guatemala” / “i believe” (this song combo is just perfect)

  73. Figgy Says:

    Ha ha. Really enjoying some of the irrelevant comments ever since Kirsten asked jft which songs he’d cut to make an EP out of LRP. Interestingly, jft has come back but HASN’T given us his EP line-up.

    I’m spending far too long at the moment (or dare I say “these days”?) painting walls in my apartment, but it does give me the excuse to listen to a lot of CDs while I do it. So purely for research purposes (with no intentions of enjoying the music, of course) I gave LRP a spin last night. It was even the special version featuring a handful of bonus tracks such as “All I Have to Do is Dream” and “Toys in the Attic”. A thoroughly enjoyable listen – even after hearing all EIGHTEEN tracks I wanted more!

    I’ll agree with jft that the album gets weaker as it goes along. I think REM themselves would admit that. After all, as many books on the subject have reported, the band were actually short of original material going into the recording sessions. Hence, we get several old songs and a cover version. But what the hey? The whole album works, in my opinion. Fresh, bright, catchy, serious moments, throwaway moments… I love it the way it is and it sounds like most of the other bloggers do too. I wouldn’t change anything about it.

  74. Figgy Says:

    And on the subject of REM and computer games, maclure – and who would have thought this could ever be a subject for discussion? – you have reminded me of my younger brother (who is also crazy about REM).

    Years and years ago he had a soccer video game and I remember his team was always called Chronic Town.

    And, yes… I do remember Worms, so you’re not alone there.

  75. jft Says:

    oh, i didn’t actually read Kirsten’s comment about my “LRP EP” – so here it is:

    1. Begin The Begin
    2. These Days
    3. Hyena
    4. Underneath The Bunker
    5. Cuyahoga
    6. The Flowers Of Guatemala

    well… and then release “I Believe” as a standalone single with “Swan Swan H” as a b-side… and maybe a live version of “Fall On Me” ;)

    and not that I dislike the album, but I think it’s the least constant of r.e.m.s outputs…

  76. Kirsten Says:

    JFT, that sounds like a hell of a lot of back-peddelling to me! It seems like there’s only 3 songs you don’t like, and that’s not too bad for an album of 12. Can’t believe you’d kick off “Just A Touch”! One of their best rockers! On reflection, I’ve decided to agree with narcizo. Even though Murmur would be my favourite album, and the first 3 of Monster rock, the first 3 songs on Fables is probably the best. (But I may change my mind tomorrow with my mood!)

    I also named computer game characters after the band in my younger years (and I probably still would). I’ve also named 2 budgies Bill (may he rest in peace)and Kenneth.

    And for the record, Kenzie would kick Wendell Gee’s ass! I think he’d be an angry drunk and probably wouldn’t fight fair. I always pictured Wendle Gee as a skinny, weak old man – he’d have no chance!

  77. ScottMalobisky Says:

    jft , I agree with you about Fall On Me , think it’s great but NOT THAT GREAT, (the potent chord change part is very affecting I will say that).

    I always thought that These Days was , “we have many things in common, they increase” , which wouldv’e been very appropriately empathetic with no need for humor.

  78. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Wendell Gee would have a chance with Mr. Cup watching his blindside.

  79. jft Says:

    perhaps I should just shut up unless I get in trouble with what I’ve said and what I’ve not said ;)

    Kirsten, well (somehow you’re right, I must admit)… I just tried to make a (to me) convincing EP, which actually works as a mini-album (which LRP as an album doesn’t do for me). Fall On Me would just become an extra track for all of those who admire it that much – Swan Swan H is really great, just doesn’t fit there – I Believe, at its place in LRP, is not really a part of the album, so I would exclude it. But WIWGIA?, JAT an Superman are placed so significant in the second half, that one gets the impression that side B is made out of fillers, even if it isn’t.

    so, I should go back to my maths… :D

  80. Mr Cup Says:

    Damn Straight!

  81. maclure Says:

    Another REM match-up I’d like to see – Airportman vs. Lightnin Hopkins. Airportman would be too doped up and half asleep to get past the first round…

  82. Figgy Says:

    What about tag teams?
    Orange Crush With Eyeliner v Fall On Me In Honey

  83. Kirsten Says:

    Two rocking songs like Orange Crush With Eyeliner would easily beat the wimpy, slow Fall On Me In Honey. Where’s the contest?

    Airportman has security to protect him, but Lingtnin Hopkins can shoot lighnin from the palm of his hand, so he’d win.

    I’ve spent WAY too much time and effort into this…..

  84. Kirsten Says:

    Do we have enough room down at those swings Mr Cup, or do we need to relocate to the MCG?? :-)

  85. Mr Cup Says:

    There has to be a film in this somewhere.

    Help, my favourite songs aren’t getting on. they are fighting one another. I really love Wendell Gee but I don’t think he stands a chance against the rather ambitious Ol’ Man Kinsey!

    The soundtrack a mash up like Figgy says:
    ‘I’ve got my spine I’ve got my orange crush with eyeliner’

  86. Figgy Says:

    “…there’s a lot of honey in this world …but what is it up in the air for?”

    Yeah, this soundtrack could be great.

  87. Mr Cup Says:

    Hmm Kirsten I was going to say I have had a few thoughts morning:

    1) these blogs often bloom at night

    2) I’m gonna feel like the 300 vs the persian army as after I’ve dealt with the ‘Dissappear’ fanciers it’ll be game on with the admires of ‘WTF, Kenneth’. That is if Begin the Begin or Finest Worksong don’t stomp it’s sorry arse beforehand. Hang on – Radio Free Europe’s coming over the top and looks positively rabid! Go Boy!

    I’ll be putting on extra lemonade either way.

    There was more…but if I don’t get down to the beach soon, I won’t be my usual calm tolerant self.

  88. Kirsten Says:

    Great mental image.

  89. Mr Cup Says:

    Oh just quickly, to give figgy something to do instead of his renovations…

    Had an idea for a song where you sample all the ‘yeah, yeahs’ in REM songs and creat a new song which consiste exclusively of..yeahs.

    Ignoreland. Man on the Moon. Sweetness Follows. The Ascent of Man.
    Whos’e got cut and paste skills?

  90. Mr Cup Says:

    The fantasy tan and the abs?

  91. Mr Cup Says:

    The other thing…I was wondering, just quietly, how Matthew is going to write up Fall On Me. He does make a special effort when it comes to these jewels in the crown type songs.

    Not that there’s any pressure from us for him to do so.

    Much.

    (Mrs Cup at this point drags Mr Cup by the ear away from whatever this internet thingy is. Good riddance to. The antagoising little bugger.)

  92. 2d Says:

    don’t forget the yeah’s of “revolution”, “let me in” and “departure”! :)

  93. Kirsten Says:

    No Mr Cup, that was in reply to Figgy with the Honey in the air. You just posted something at the same time as me. But isn’t that one of the beautful things about the internet? There’s no reason for anyone to know that you’re not tanned and toned….

  94. ScottMalobisky Says:

    listened to revolution today with those incendiary lyrics , “black men can’t get acquitted”. this gun control showdown in DC is shaping up to be quite the landmark battle , going to have some serious far-reaching implications …And how about that stem cell breakthrogh today—WOW !!!!!–that’s quite a remarkable development !

  95. Kirsten Says:

    Imagine, all those mini-biskys…

  96. Mr Cup Says:

    Shiny happy people gather, collide to carry each his burden, we are young and full of grace and spirites with something reptile…

    You may not be able to see them Kirsten…but they’re there.
    Abs that is. Beach nice, thanks for asking.

  97. Kirsten Says:

    It’s pooring here. 12 deg…..
    Glad it’s nice there, though. My sister’s in Perth for her honeymoon.

  98. Mr Cup Says:

    Did you tell her to go to the Cottesloe Civic Centre? Where rockstars wed.

  99. milesy Says:

    Mr Cup, I like this idea of a song of ‘yeahs’ (but lack both the time and the editing skills). Could we also include ‘hey’ (Low Desert, Lotus), and ‘oh’ (We Walk)?

    This thread is going to hit 100 posts soon. Whoever posts the 100th had better make it a good one.
    No pressure, then…

  100. Mr Cup Says:

    There are a few ‘Heys’ in drive….maybe the ‘heys’ can be the infamous bridge?

    The ‘oh’ bits…hmmm, maybe the b-side?

    i just listened to THIS song again just now out in the warm evening air. Jeez it’s good. Hit the mood beautifully. Thank you REM. Thank you so much.

    …no pressure…tee hee…

  101. Mr Cup Says:

    I just had a play in Garageband.
    Now I’m no sound engineer…and it sounds bloody ‘orrible.
    Probably need to be able to isolate the vox to have any joy here.

    I’ll leave it out there for anyone that has killer techniques though.

    …no pressure

  102. 2d Says:

    congrats, mr. cup, for “these days intervention no. 100″! but this is “these days post 101″, and we all know the beginning is the end is the beginning ;)

    let’s begin the beguine! *shifts on chair*

  103. lenny Says:

    I want to go back to the head-to-head matchups that people were discussing (Wendell vs. Kensey)…I tried posting this earlier but it wouldn’t go through…

    The possibilities are limitless…
    Swan Swan H vs. King of Birds
    Flowers of Guatemala vs. Green Grow the Rushes
    Harborcoat vs. Hairshirt
    Drive vs. We Walk

    (my picks: Birds, Flowers, Coat, Walk)

  104. Paul Alferink Says:

    Also, never have sex, drink or do drugs. And never say “I’ll be right back!” Oh wait, those are different rules.

  105. Paul Alferink Says:

    Jeez, I wish my new job didn’t block most every internet site. . .
    Anywho, the rules for the first three song of an album come into play here. They are as follows:

    the first song must set the tone of album. Swan Swan H or Superman would be horrible for LRP.

    To excel, one of the first two songs must be a rocker, or something to get excited about. Preferable the first song, but if the first song is short, you can get way with it being slower. This is the reason why Fables and Automatic can’t compete. They may have the best three songs, taken individually, but they don’t meet this corralary, and thus, are disqualified.

    All three songs cannot have the same style.

    Bonus Points the first song is actually about starting something (See Begin the Begin) The same thing is true about last songs, by the by. Iteofwawki(aiff) would work, as does The End by the Doors or “Death is not the End.

  106. ScottMalobisky Says:

    the white night is talking backwards
    trying to recall what the doorman said

  107. maclure Says:

    Match-ups could happen in different Little America “Ignoreland” cities, or perhaps in the outback of a south central country (feedback).

    All the way to Reno vs Texarkana.
    How the West was won… vs West of the fields
    Leaving New York vs I remember California (in the Low Desert)

    Also, I’d like to see the Wichita Lineman take on Driver 8 in a bare-knuckle fist fight in Rockville.

    The possiblities are endless. The possibilities, that is, for wasting time on the internet…

  108. ScottMalobisky Says:

    jimjos, those Langerado tix are now on sale, get two , plus my round trip plane tix.I’ll see you there

  109. ScottMalobisky Says:

    “the northeast corridor thinks the rest of the country is just a fly-over “_______Rush Limbaugh yesterday commenting on the “northest liberal media bias”

  110. Mr Cup Says:

    King of Comedy vs King of Birds

    If someone already said that one…I’m so-oorry

  111. milesy Says:

    There is the potential here for quite a fight card:
    Stand vs Sitting Still
    The Lifting vs Feeling Gravitys Pull
    The Outsiders vs Let Me In
    A tag team featuring Departure/ Leave vs Saturn Return/ Don’t Go Back to Rockville
    And of course Bury Magnets vs Exhuming McCarthy… (what?)

    More seriously, after LRP, I think New Adventures might just have the best 1-2-3. No, I’m not joking.

  112. maclure Says:

    Milesy Standish, I thought somebody would eventually mentioned NAIHF’s first three. They are 3 strong songs fo sheez but for me they have no continuity or running themes. It’s like a mix-tape. I think the album begins to make sense as an entity a few tracks later – Undertow through Departure.

  113. Mr Cup Says:

    Radio Free Europe vs Radio Song
    Harbourcoat vs Hairshirt
    Flowers of Gautemala vs Lotus
    You’re in the Air vs Don’t fall on Me

    [Tech Fowel on the last one. Benched for the night.]

  114. lenny Says:

    Question — what makes one post get so many comments? This is now the 2nd most commented on song, in just 3 DAYS. The previous post had three days on its own and only got 15 comments. Is this song just that much more popular, or is something else going on?

    My theory is that it’s the short work week (for those of us in the U.S. anyway) and people are procrastinating at work to get through to the holiday weekend. Put me in that category. 5 more hours… tick, tick, tick.

  115. ScottMalobisky Says:

    the parakeet vs. the lizard king. I’ll take the Israelis vs. the Iranians minus the points

  116. ScottMalobisky Says:

    I agree with your theory ,lenny ; folks are just in a relaxed, playful, and somewhat nonsensical frame of mind due to that short work week feeling.

  117. ScottMalobisky Says:

    funny story about the Arizona Cardinals fooball team ; a couple of years ago the organization actually made a conscious effort to change the Cardinal logo on the helmet from it’s more docile original look to something more leaner and meaner , vwrey humorous to me, a cardinal is still a cardinal and not the most intimidating symbol for a footall team…although the team has gotten better, might be moving towards being a contender after years of haplessness (my second favorite team)

  118. lenny Says:

    I’ve lived in St. Louis most of my life — so we’ve just laughed at the Arizona Cardinals ever since they left town. But, not this year — the Rams are pitiful by comparison. Out of curiosity, what’s your 1st favorite team Malobisky?

    The only real Cardinal is the original, St. Louis Baseball Cardinal. No need to tamper with that classic logo. And they’re a much better franchise in terms of history and success. Exactly how did this topic come up? Heron House – Swan Swan H – Parakeet – Cardinal?

  119. Paul Alferink Says:

    St. Louis Cardinals? Thems fightin’ words ’round these parts.

  120. David T. Says:

    Re Cardinals…gotta side w/Lenny on this one. The Cardinal is the King of Birds, baseball-wise. Trash talking will lead to a stampede at the (Musial) monument.

    (Though, Lenny, I sometimes wonder if the uber-coolness of the Cardinal logo is partially offset by the uber-uncoolness of Fredbird…)

  121. lenny Says:

    OK gang it’s been fun, but if we’re going to reach 200 comments, and I’d like to, it can’t be because we are talking about video games and football/baseball teams.

    Back to the subject — I liked everyone’s comments about the “hat” lyric in “These Days”. Now I have another one to ponder: “I will rearrange your scales.”

    Any thoughts? I like Matthew’s take on the song as a stump speech, but “rearrange your scales” sounds a little threatening for a campaign promise. Am I wrong about that? Could there be a positive spin on scale rearrangement? What kind of scales are they? I guess I was always a little confused by that lyric.

  122. Paul Alferink Says:

    Or the the stench of a past-his-prime, overpaid Jim Edmonds patrolling center

  123. maclure Says:

    Rearrange your scales, I take (simply) as refering to justice. I will rearrange your sense of what is right and wrong… social justice, social action, we are concern, we are hope. I don’t see it as the rally cry of a political leader necessarily.

    I’ve just watched These Days from the Dublin gigs and was amazed to see something I hadn’t noticed before. This may be very obvious… but the 3 things we have in common, THREE THREE THREE are – if Stipe’s hand signals are a clue – these three things: 1) we are young despite the years 2) we are concern 3) we are hope despite the times. Matthew talked about “inclusiveness” in his post and I think this is important. Inclusiveness between the band and the audience. No barriers, no stage, I wish to meet each one of you. We have these three things in common, we are on the same side, wanting the same things.

    I see echoes of these lyrics in later songs, but to repeat what Matthew already said it’s hard to say what it’s actually really about… Popsong 89, Turn you inside out and Belong (those creatures from the sea).

  124. Kirsten Says:

    Firstly, I’d like to apologise for my poor spelling last night – it was at the end of a very long day!! Cottesloe Civic Centre – got it! Will put it on my list of places to visit….

    These Days.
    I thought the THREE things he was talking about was obvious: we are young, we are concern, we are hope.

    I thought scales referred to balance. I’m not feeding off your negative energy, I will rearrange your thoughts/feelings so they are more balanced. If I can, and I can.
    Then he walks into the ocean/sea (the big scary world)where he puts his hat down (an idea, thought, hopes/dreams?) and it sinks/fails. But he reaches down, yanks it up and slapps that soaking, slightly damaged hat straight back on his head. Now his hat is heavy on his head and is a burden. But with youth, concern and hope, he wears his hat with pride and joy.

    How does that sound? Now I’d better do some work this morning….

  125. ScottMalobisky Says:

    well , Michael may have wished to meet each one of us a while back but I doubt if he wants to now……. the wear and tear of that fame thing..

    I’ve always thought of the scales as the scales of justice, sorta , gonna rearrange your paradigms of what constitutes fairness ,what is right and wrong .(especially I think in terms of American foreign policy here)

    The Outsiders vs. Let Me In, that’s the best one yet :)

    and lenny , I am reluctant to divulge my favorite team considering their most embarrassing succumbing to the mighty NYJets this past week-end .

    Paul, you really crack me up sometimes.

    Happy Thanksgiving to you all !!!!

  126. Kirsten Says:

    There’s no way he’d want to meet us – I think we lost him at Wendell Gee v Old Man Kensey. We are all officially freaks and possible stalkers. He’d be running scared by now!

  127. ScottMalobisky Says:

    I’ve also construed “rearrange your scales” in a “rearrange your face” sorta way , one of Stipe’s most obviously agressive moments, like he’s really disgusted and pissed , wants to jack up some ignorant S.O.B.

  128. Mr Cup Says:

    Electron Blue vs Orange Crush
    Perfect Circle vs Witcheta Linesman
    Airport Man vs The Sad Professor
    Wake Up Bomb vs Daysleeper
    I’ve been High vs Low
    Hope vs Suspicion

  129. Kirsten Says:

    Wolves, Lower v I’ve Been High

  130. 2d Says:

    i’ve always liked to think of “rearrange your scales” in the funnier, quirkier sense of the serpents’ outer layer. very surreal image. like “i will shift every piece of you and change its place until i’ve transformed you into what i please. and i can.” works well with the rattlesnake sounds in the background too.

  131. Kirsten Says:

    2D, that sounds cool and more like Stipian language.

    Around the Sun vs Man On The Moon

  132. Mr Cup Says:

    I love the ‘if I can, AND I CAN’ line.
    No second guessing this time.

  133. Kirsten Says:

    I love that line, too. So full of strength and determination.

    There’s a battle going on right now between These Days and High Speed Train! Can’t remember what HST got to, but this is entry #132!

  134. Mr Cup Says:

    Begin The Begin vs Endgame
    The Boy in the Well vs The Wrong Child
    Strange vs Crazy
    Around the Sun vs Saturn Return
    Beat a drum vs Mang and Blame
    Sitting Still vs Stand

    [working from hom vs productivity]

  135. Mr Cup Says:

    sorry about the typos up there…

  136. Kirsten Says:

    Star 69 vs Star Me Kitten
    I Don’t Sleep, I Dream vs Daysleeper
    Falls To Climb vs Itself!

  137. 2d Says:

    find the river vs. cuyahoga
    laughing vs. king of comedy

    aaaaand stumble vs. trip through your wires ;)

  138. 2d Says:

    suspicion vs. i believe

  139. maclure Says:

    Hey 2d, I wondered about that reptilian interpretation. Kind of creepy, but could work… You want cross your DNA with something reptile. Kirsten – sorry for being a bit dim and missing the obvious (ie. 3 things we have in common) but it was like a startling revelation to me today!

    Er, getting tenuous but…

    I’m not over You vs You vs You are the everything
    Near Wild Heaven vs The Great Beyond
    Superman vs Airportman (I know who the winner would be)
    Strange Currencies vs Strange
    So Fast So Numb vs So Central Rain (hmmmm…)
    What’s the frequency… vs Radio Song (yes, well)
    Begin the Begin vs Final Straw (oh dear!)
    All the right friends vs I wanted to be wrong (come on!)
    White Tornado vs Aftermath (now, that’s good!)

    Must go to bed…

  140. 2d Says:

    i’d choose “airportman”, sorry (though they are both great) :p

    wolves, lower vs. hyena

    and if you don’t feel like going to bed, you can always go gardening at night (vs. nightswimming).

  141. Mr Cup Says:

    I don’t sleep I dream/All i have to do is dream/Daysleeper

    vs

    Fretless

    (basks in smugness)

  142. maclure Says:

    clever, Mr Cup, clever. I really am off to bed now. The sidewinder sleeps in a coil, whereas I sleep in a bed until the wake up bomb which is when I get up.

    Wishing all you Stateside a very happy thanksgiving. We have a lot to be thankful for, do we not?

  143. Mr Cup Says:

    When I was simple country folk, my friends and I would borrow a nice flat paddock from an unsuspecting farmer and tow an upturned car bonnet behind another car at speed. Around and around for hours.

    I made a video of these times and used These Days and Begin the Begin as the soundtrack. The afternoon I captured was a clear end of winter days with golden light pouring across the lush grass. It takes me back there everytime I hear it.

    Happy throngs take this joy, wherever you go.

  144. Mr Cup Says:

    We Are Concern.

    Is that the EMO credo?

  145. gluefoot Says:

    as ‘full-frontal’ big-sounding r.e.m. goes, this is right up there with the best of them.. i love the manic flurry of the track.. the vocals are thrilling and affecting, and the instrumentation is pounding and energetic.. i love the version on ‘tourfilm’..

  146. ScottMalobisky Says:

    9/9 vs. #9 dream .sic (basking in the peculiar smugness of his tumid self-delusion now)

    yeah , gluefoot , “pounding” is exactly right, the drums especially are relentless, the physical exertion for Bill would’ve been quite the work-out , just beating one over the head with the message, LISTEN TO ME !!.indeed..PAY ATTENTION , DAMN IT , GET THIS RIGHT !! What other choice do I have?

  147. ScottMalobisky Says:

    alright alright ,nuts, you made me do it……….. since no one else is saying it , I will; How many Americans will be rearranging there scales tomorrow , moving the one that gives the lower reading to the forefront ?

  148. Bruno Says:

    Most peculiar. This beast of a thread has it’s own life! Last time I looked we were making sense (well we tried) of hats. Now what the hell has happened. You’re all like a wild bunch of animals let loose all over Matt’s blog and yup, that’s how it should be.

    ‘Rearrange your scales’ – to me just sounded like a great way of saying ‘I will f*** you up’ (turn you inside out?) but of course instead of Mr Stipester saying “I will f*** you up’ he found a much cooler, rattlesnake, serpent way to say it. what a great line no matter which way you see it.

    And you’ve all stolen my wrestling teams. How about musical? Mike Mill’s baseline intro to ‘Laughing’ takes on Peter Buck’s guitar intro to ‘Pretty Persuasion’ for example.

    Uh huh Oh yeah

  149. ScottMalobisky Says:

    and remember those “results are not typical” and the actors are “remunerated” :)

  150. Bruno Says:

    Just listened to the posted song(s) and I’m finding it very hard not to jump the gun and talk about just why (ahem jft) Fall on Me is so good.

    Must…fight…the…urge.

  151. Kirsten Says:

    Excellent point on Rearrange Your Scales Bruno.

  152. Bruno Says:

    OK I can’t help it.

    LRP was when REM came of age. I think at this point they realised that they could go over the top. They could be a world killing band and do it on their own terms.

    The folk albums beforehand were magical and set the stage for something new. Then came Reckoning and they started to stretch out – sonically – no longer chiming and murmuring. Dirtier guitars and a bit of noise and energy. Micheal finding confidence in his vocal ability. Then came the tough album, the turning point – ‘make or break’ – Fables. One that now stands as a singular achievement and for, or maybe because of all the trouble they had writing/recording it, sits on its own in the early catalogue – a slice out of time.

    And then: LRP and it was the watershed. At least most of it was – the first half (and a few from the backside).

    Document brought the same approach but the immediacy of LRP was the turning point. Afterward the high points were mostly folk based or similar. Automatic was one great song after another but it returned the band to the acoustics and the lighter approach.

    LRP, especially, as has been mentioned, the first set of songs, was guns-a-blazing ‘Here we are, full of confidence and talent and we’re going to jump right into the center of the stage with what we know is great songs an great talent’. The coming of age.

    A lot has been said about Peter Buck finding a new sound with each album and that may be a key with LRP. It’s the first time he found dirt and power – and so did the band. Often before this album his guitar sounded a bit thin. On LRP, it had an energy and this was at the center of their new confidence.

    Absolutely a band that was now ready and poised to take on the (music) world.

    Well um, so sorry – I was moved – You can now tell me I’m crazy.

  153. Figgy Says:

    You’re not crazy, Bruno. That last post of yours makes a lot of sense. I’m curious to know if the band members’ views are similar to yours.

  154. Mr Cup Says:

    Mr Richards vs Migraine Boy

  155. Mr Cup Says:

    THe scales of justice argument is certainly plausible and makes the most sense. However I think you will find it refers to a time when James Michael presented a song to the band and they fell about laughing at how messy it was. The song, which shall remain nameless, was apparently rare in it’s lack of formal structure. Undettered, the young James Michael pulled out his notebook, scratched some lyrics which would eventually become ‘these days’.
    It seems musical scales is what he wanted to re-arrange. If he can. And he can!

  156. Bruno Says:

    Interesting stuff Mr Cup – how do you know this?

  157. Kirsten Says:

    He was that notebook.

  158. Bruno Says:

    Umm ok cut it out!

    He was that notebook?

    Curious me

  159. Mr Cup Says:

    Wouldn’t it be one of the greatest experiences, and I’m being serious now, if you could be a fly on the wall during some recording sessions and seeing exactly how some of these songs come together?

    An example might be…a younger James Michael going in to do the vocal for Country Feedback with a scrap of paper with a sketch on it and doing what he did. Imagine listening to what came out for the first time.

    [There are no long boring hours of things not happening in my fantasy OK]

  160. Bruno Says:

    Yeah a fly on the wall

    Somehow the very early stuff would be best. There just seems like a lot of tricky stuff going on in the studio on murmur. Vocals way back in the mix, weird sounds, lots of effects and deep stuff hiding in way back in the mix.

  161. Bruno Says:

    Of course, the way the vocals/lyrics came together too, Mr Cup

  162. Mr Cup Says:

    Yeah, everything. The creative process is infinitely fascinating to me in any field. There is online ‘tennis matches’ with designers these days, where you take somthing from someone else, rework it and send it back.

    That may be a similar process with REM who all live in different cities and timezones.

    But hearing a little riff or couple of note develop into a song, God I would love to witness that.

  163. Bruno Says:

    It’s weird – I have such an old-school view on REM. Pre email/digital/chat/Youtube/social network/blah. I want them to be a dusty road in a deep south place somewhere where the fields are forgotten. In the digital world the possibilities are…well, endless, I do play about with layers and tracks, but to me (wistfully says I) the lack of that stuff is what makes their music truly magic.

  164. Bruno Says:

    wow time for bed bye all

  165. Mr Cup Says:

    (sigh) it’s just not their world anymore.

    Neon lit airports and the buzz of airconditioned trains.

    Driver 8 vs High Speed Train indeed

  166. lenny Says:

    Wow — most impressive everyone. Up to #166. The last time I said anything it was around 120. High Speed Train had 193, so we’re on our way to topping that. People took the fight card idea and ran with it (or should I say, beat it to death).

    I only had a couple more…
    So Central Rain vs. White Tornado
    Catapult vs. The Wake Up Bomb
    Man on the Moon vs. Kohoutek (cause it’s a comet)

    Thanks for the notes on rearranging scales. The first explanation for that was probably the best. Kudos to maclure.

    Let’s see — what else to say? Oh, I know. I think there’s one more challenger to the best 1-2 punch at the top of an REM album. Green. PS89 and Get Up really rock, so that almost rivals Begin the Begin and These Days. Not quite as good though, but close.

  167. lenny Says:

    Dang — that last message could have been about 4 different ones if I’d just split it up. Oh well.

    Happy Thanksgiving everyone; I’m going to go rearrange my scale so it lies to me about my post-feast weight.

  168. milesy Says:

    I am fascinated by this whole best 1-2-3, best 1-2 etc type of question, as I always think of REM in terms of albums rather than songs, with really strong associations of where a song is situated- for years, for example, I would mix up songs from side two (!) of Fables, because they all just blended together (in a good way).

    There is no favourite album. But, under duress, I would probably pick Green. And yet, and yet… While I do like PS89 and Get Up, I think they are far from the best 1-2 (sorry lenny)- and I have even found myself starting the album at You are the Everything on occasion. Is this just me?

    (Incidentally, I think You are the Everything is Fall On Me’s only serious challenger for the title of ‘best third track’.)

    1000000 vs 9-9

    I’ll take the So Central Rain
    New Orleans Instrumental no. 151

  169. Mr Cup Says:

    Driver 8 is number 3.

    I went through a patch of liking the 8th track of many albums (not just REM). 8 is lucky in chinese. And in esoteric mathematics, it’s a zero with a belt.

  170. milesy Says:

    Top five third tracks:

    1. Fall on Me
    2. You are the Everything
    3. Exhuming McCarthy
    4. So Central Rain
    5. New Test Leper

    And, yes, I am a fan of D8 too.

  171. ScottMalobisky Says:

    ….Didn’t Stipe record the vocal for Murmur , like , out of sight in the dark in a side stairwell or something like that ?

  172. ScottMalobisky Says:

    never really cared for the title of LRP , certainly wouldn’t kick it out of bed for that though , I’ve always thought the titles of REM albums leave a bit to be desired . ..FOTR is cool though , as is Document……what will the next one be ?..

  173. Mr Cup Says:

    I love the title as it’s from a Peter Sellers film (one of the Pink Panthers).

    New Test Leper over Driver 8…I’ll have to put on some more lemonade I reckon.

  174. maclure Says:

    Hold the lemonade… Best third tracks:

    1. Driver 8
    2. Fall on Me
    3. New Test Leper
    4. King of Comedy
    5. Low

    The new REM album should be called “In the clear light of day”. Just came to me. If an REM member is reading this, please call the album this. I would be very grateful and very pleased.

    Bisky – I think it was So Central Rain where he recorded it at the top of some stairs and fell down at the end which explains the slightly strained lyrics at the end of the track…

  175. maclure Says:

    er… strained VOCALS at the end of the track. typo.

  176. Mr Cup Says:

    New Test Leper over So. Central Rain…I’ll have to put on some more lemonade I reckon.

  177. Mr Cup Says:

    Didn’t he declare he sung it in the nude as well?

  178. lenny Says:

    Fell down the stairs singing naked. That might hurt.

  179. Mr Cup Says:

    I’m looking for punch lines that were never there…

    (mwaaa haaaa haaaa)

  180. milesy Says:

    Forget New Test Leper.
    What about King of Comedy over So Central Rain, You are the Everything, McCarthy, Laughing, Suspicion and Sidewinder..?
    Leave your Lemonade at the bar, Maclure…

  181. ScottMalobisky Says:

    make it a Lynchburg Lemonade

  182. Kirsten Says:

    New Test Leper??

    Bring out the lemonade so I can throw it in your face sir.

  183. milesy Says:

    Kirsten, are you defending NTL or attacking? I suspect the latter, and can almost feel the first drops of lemonade…

  184. Kirsten Says:

    Attacking – crap compared to So Central Rain.

    Just remember Lemonade in your eyes WILL sting like hell!

  185. Mr Cup Says:

    New Test Lemonade!

    Thanks Kirsten. Glad someone is being sensible around here.

  186. Mr Cup Says:

    In honour of more recent postings:

    It’s a free world baby vs It’s the end of the world as we know it

    If I have to get to 200 by myself, I will people.

  187. Kirsten Says:

    LOL. Don’t worry Mr Cup, you are a part of the REM Community, so in that spirit I will help you reach the 200. This song probably deserves the trophy more than High Speed Train. At least we haven’t fallen back into the “Stipe the Alien” conversation again….

  188. Kirsten Says:

    We have many things in common, name three:

    1. We love REM
    2. We drink a hell of a lot of lemonade
    3. And we have way too much time on our hands!

  189. Mr Cup Says:

    It’s just so perilously close Kirsten.

    So…very….close…

  190. Kirsten Says:

    Even closer now!!

    Now I am feeding off you, we will re-arrange this blog. If we can, and we can.

  191. Mr Cup Says:

    I had a blog, and it sunk, reached, down yanked it up…

  192. lenny Says:

    At least we now have more posts on These Days than there were on High Speed Train. It’s official NOW. I didn’t ever really care about 200, just 194.

  193. Mr Cup Says:

    I would agree lenny, if it weren’t for my respect for the traditions of cricket and its love of milestones. It’s almost a double ton. The crowd are calling for it. Just one big tonk and it’s in the bag…

    Dig deep. Keep focus.

  194. Kirsten Says:

    Mr Cup – the next Bradman.

  195. Mr Cup Says:

    It’s a team game Kirsten. Individual milestones are nothing if the team doesn’t perform well.

    And…has Hannibal Lectre would say……’closer’….

  196. Kirsten Says:

    We can reach our destination. (But we’re still aways away)

  197. Kirsten Says:

    In the interest of “team spirit” please Mr Cup, have your moment of glory. Take us to 200…..

  198. Mr Cup Says:

    …raises bat to the crowd, meets team mate in the middle, they punch each other lightly on the glove…what an innings!

    Think I have a little tear in my eye…

  199. Kirsten Says:

    Take off your helmet, and wipe off the sweat. Your moment of glory has arrived!

    :-) :-) :-) :-)

    Now what?

  200. Mr Cup Says:

    Speaking of milestones, traditions etc It just occurred to me that 151 should be a significant milestone on this blog.

    Certainly easier than 1,000,000.

    And with that the drinks cart is brought over from the swings for some well earned refreshments…

  201. Mr Cup Says:

    There is no emoticon for how I’m feeling right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  202. Kirsten Says:

    I know Mr Cup – Let’s drive this baby all the way to Reno! (Where undoubtably we will become stars)

  203. Mr Cup Says:

    We are
    a star
    tonight

  204. milesy Says:

    Good work people- and all the while I was sleeping like Flintoff in the pavillion.
    Meanwhile, because I am a pedant and cannot resist the urge to defend myself, I need to point out that I had So Central Rain higher on my list than Leper- it was maclure who didn’t include it! (but I love you maclure and will take a lemonade in the face for you anyday).

  205. Mr Cup Says:

    Milesy, I respect you because you would sacrifice your wicket for the team ( if only to get back into the dressing room a little sooner and get on the outside of an ale, like Freddy).

    I also respect you as a pedant.

    However, Driver 8 isn’t on yer list mate. It’s like picking a batting line up from the world XI and instead of choosing Steve Waugh, you pick your mate Dave. Steve, it seems gets to carry the drinks. From where I sit…it’s lemonade.

  206. milesy Says:

    That’s a fair lemonade and I’ll take it in the face.
    However, I do like balance in my lists of REM songs, so that they recognise the excellence throughout the band’s career. You wouldn’t want to pick 11 batsmen and end up with Steve W opening the bowling, would you? So, for me, unless So Central Rain, Fall on Me or McCarthy get injured or have to be suspended for pedalo-related activities, Driver 8 carries the drinks (which it is free to throw in my face).

  207. maclure Says:

    Hello folks, I know this thread is days old, I just never realised it was being taken over the 200 mark by some cricket lovers. Yes, I will take a lemonade in the face for not putting So.Central Rain on my list of track 3 REM songs. I dunno tho… it just never floated my boat that song. And Low and KoC and NTL are just really, really good in my opinion.

  208. Kirsten Says:

    Take away these scattered bones of my meal.

  209. Mr Cup Says:

    For me, New Test Leper lacks any of the characteristics of a quality number three. There’s no dramatic build to a chorus, there’s no chorus, no mystery, no majesty, the vocals are flat and unspetacular.
    It bogs down New Adventures just as it’s starting off. I would go so far as to say ANY other number 3 from any other album would be better.

    If NTL was a batsman, he would take forever to get off the mark. Poke and prod outside off stump looking for away to get out and eventually put so much pressure on the rest of the team they’d have to hit out of there comfort zone to compensate (hello Undertow).

    If I was team coach I’d say he needed more time in the nets or a bit more working out on the road before it was ready to make its debut.

    I’m thirsty…

  210. Kirsten Says:

    Couldn’t agree more, Mr Cup. It is clearly the low-point of NAIHF and all other 3rd songs easily beat it. I’m even guilty of regularly skipping it.

  211. Mr Cup Says:

    Guilt free skipping from me Kirsten. And don’t look for it an the iPod – it’s not there.

    Speaking off:

    There is a Podiatrist near my place and I’m really wanting to paint a liitle ‘i’ in front of the P.
    hyuck.

  212. Kirsten Says:

    I am looking into joining the technology age and purchasing an ipod after Christmas. I don’t intend to put NTL on there. I suppose it will be a real test (leper) as to which songs I’m really not that fond of (I couldn’t bring myself to say “don’t like”). Me In Honey won’t be there either, but Kohotek and Hairshirt will be ’cause I see the potential of them both and do kinda sorta like them, just not that much. And this blog has made me appreciate them more.

  213. Mr Cup Says:

    Yeah. Forcing oneself to listen to songs in isolation often reveals more of the song itself as opposed to the relationship it has to the others.

    I have an iPod with video and there are some Tourfilm clips on YouTube I ‘collected’. As well as a really cool Document promo clip I’d never seen.

    I take this joy wherever I go, in my happy thongs!

  214. Kirsten Says:

    A happy customer just brought in some Fruit Cake as a thank you to one of our sales guys. All I can think of is Bill Berry saying: “Wouldn’t you just love to throttle the person who invented Fruit Cake?” from Christmas Gripping. I hope Matthew covers that one.
    A must!

  215. Mr Cup Says:

    I haven’t heard it – is that a fan club thingy?

  216. maclure Says:

    New Test Leper is an awesome song! What’s going on – I won’t accept this panning of a classic tune.

  217. Kirsten Says:

    Yeah, it’s hilarious. I was watching a Christmas movie on TV last night and they were talking about Frosty the Snowman which they sing at the end of this song.

    Some great lines:

    Bill: I guess we’re going to have to go shopping now

    Mike: and I’m gonna have to take my nefew to the mall to see Santa Claus

    Peter: If I hear Rudolf the Red-Nose Raindeer one more time I’m gonna go up on a tower with a high-powered rifle

    Michael: take a white marshmellow, put it on a coathanger, put it on the fire, get some
    chocolate bars and some graham crackers and then you smush it and then you eat a hundred of ‘em and you vomit…

    Mike: yeah, sometimes christmas really frosts ass…

  218. Kirsten Says:

    That should be “Frosts My Ass”

  219. Kirsten Says:

    maclure, I will no longer make you lemonade, but instead “put pepper in your coffee”

  220. Mr Cup Says:

    This isn’t the REM I know…or thought I knew. They feel the same way I do about xmas then. Just get it over with!

    Oh, a voice from the swings…

  221. Mr Cup Says:

    I didn’t realise NTL had been done already. It seems to divide people between totally awesome and largely forgettable. That makes it interesting.

  222. milesy Says:

    Good morning.
    I feel I’m not going to win this argument… but…can’t …resist…one last…try..
    Things to like about NTL:
    It’s a great song in 6/8.
    The way Michael’s voice holds on and wavers as he sings ‘Call me a leper…eyayyy’
    The thematic link with undertow.
    The way the clean accoustic strum contrasts with other songs around it.
    The classicly stipean ambiguity of the lyrics that convey so much: is it someone being destroyed by the religious right for their sexuality; or actually someone religious being mocked for their faith… different meanings of ‘New Test’ (see NTL entries) etc.
    The vulnerable hopeful, yet hopeless innocence of the protagonist.
    The feedback at the beginning of the last verse (prefiguring the real feedback in the next song).
    etc

    Come on guys, give it another chance. I can handle it not being as highly thought of as Driver 8, but you’re overreacting.
    And, Mr Cup, if only more English batsmen would bat a bit more like Geoff Boycott (not renowned for rushing into his innings), we might do a little better…

    Ah well, I suppose I may as well get up and wash in lemonade tomorrow to save you guys the trouble of staying up down under to wait for me…

  223. Mr Cup Says:

    Ahh Boycott! I couldn’t think of his name.

    Well milesy, I admire the aim of the song. I’ve seen this played out dozens of times on commercial television. Someone a little left of centre (and it usually is a very small way to the left) that the oh, so knowledgeable presenters don’t want to, or are unable to relate too else they be thought of as ‘different’ as well. It’s a way of reassuring the masses they are OK, unlike this ‘weirdo’ they see before them. They’ll tune in again tomorrow and have that reassured. Part of the media’s passion for keeping people uninformed.

    However, as a song, a tune…it just doesn’t move me for all the reasons listed.

    Can we still be friends? We could crack a two fiddy!

  224. milesy Says:

    Why not?
    After all, we have many things in common, name 3 (as long as it’s not the best track no.3…)

  225. Mr Cup Says:

    1) REM
    2) Cricket
    3) Nausea (at the mere mention of lemonade)

    I’m listening to New Adventures…sort of guy I am

  226. Mr T Says:

    I pitty the fool who tries to get t’ two fidddy!

    hnngrrr!

  227. ScottMalobisky Says:

    one transgression slithers
    skewered round the clock
    idle talk down to impact

  228. milesy Says:

    I’m trying to work out when you sleep, Mr Cup!
    You could always sleep standing up I suppose (those darned track 3s).

    I couldn’t find NA in HiFi in the car this afternoon when I need it; was happy to find Green, though…

  229. milesy Says:

    I mean ‘needed’

  230. milesy Says:

    the good thing about correcting typos is they keep the post-count ticking.

  231. milesy Says:

    Sorry everyone. Way off subject now.
    I still think these days is a great song.

  232. Kirsten Says:

    Wow, where’s this going to end? 250? 300? More??

  233. Kirsten Says:

    Have we lost our minds?
    Will this never end?
    It could depend on your take.

  234. Mr Cup Says:

    I think I’m 8 hrs+ GMT. Plus one daylight saving hour.
    As far as sleeping, it doesn’t feel as if I do most times. I end up settling for a cup of coffee to differentaite am + pm.

    I’m wondering now in the clear light of morning, why all the fuss on best third tracks when These Days is the second?

    Ameliorate:

    Pilgrimage
    7 Chinese Brothers
    Maps and Legends
    These Days
    Occupation
    Pop Song 89
    LMR
    Crush with Eyeliner

    hmmm, harder than I thought. I’m whittling it down and in typically old school manner heading straight for the back cat.

    Will LMR make it????? stay tuned.

  235. Kirsten Says:

    Pilgrimage. Easily.

  236. Mr Cup Says:

    It would be easy for me to pick the first five. But that could just be me being lazy.

    Of course, the glaring omission from that list is Gardening at Night.
    It just got harder.
    Dang!

  237. jft Says:

    best 2nd song?

    1. Try Not To Breathe
    2. Losing My Religion
    3. These Days
    4. I’ve Been High
    5. Maps And Legends

  238. jft Says:

    oh, and another try on the no.3 discussion (and to push the count a bit higher…)

    New Test Leper (great, beautiful song!)
    Driver 8
    The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite

    oh, and would Wolves, Lower count? on my edition it’s no.3 on CT. it would beat the mentioned ones by far.

  239. Kirsten Says:

    Top 3 2nds

    1. Pilgrimage
    2. Lotus
    3. Crush With Eyeliner

    Top 3 3rds

    1. Low
    2. The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite
    3. Fall On Me

    All subject to change with mood. 3rd songs were a lot harder to choose, so many great songs unmentioned.

  240. Mr Cup Says:

    Welcome to the occupation
    These Days
    Pilgrimage
    Gardening at Night (any version)
    Maps and Legends

    On the bench:
    I’ve been high/Try not to breathe

    In no particular order. Apologies to those who didn’t make it. I found it harder than #3’s which for me, picked themselves.

  241. Kirsten Says:

    Hmmm, honestly the only 2 I’d kick off your list are Occupation and TNTB.
    It’s hard when they’re all so good.

    So what now, on to the 4th??

    (We’re nearly up to 250!)

  242. Mr Cup Says:

    Occupation isn’t the greatest song but it contains one of my very favourite moments. Besides, he’s staring at me with big puppy eyes – how can I refuse?

    TNTB, again the breathing thing is important thematically perhaps more than the song. Contradicting myself now aren’t I?
    Scrap it then.

    These Days
    Pilgrimage
    Maps and Legends
    Gardening at night
    Occupation (look at those big eyes!)

  243. Kirsten Says:

    Is it the “Listen to me” ending? I love that bit. Occupation used to be one of my absolute favourites, but unfortunately I think I overplayed it to death and it lost a little of it’s appeal. It’s my own fault. Now I’m going to go and hang my hairshirt on the lowest rung….

  244. Mr Cup Says:

    It’s the instrumental section, the raking strums at the end of that leading into ’sugar cane and coffee cup, copper, steel and cattle….a forest for the fire’

    and the ‘listen to me’ with the dum, da-dum, d-dum guitar bit beneath.

    ahhh

  245. Kirsten Says:

    Yeah, I love the guitar under the ending too.

  246. Mr Cup Says:

    These Days was one of only 4 songs they went in to the studio with.
    I know it to be true as I read it in a book.

  247. lenny Says:

    I know why everyone started listing their favorite #3’s… They’re a lot better than the #2 tracks, on the average.

    My top #3’s:
    so. Central Rain
    Exhuming McCarthy
    Fall on Me
    Driver 8
    The Sidewinder Sleeps Tonite

    My top #2’s:
    These Days
    Try Not To Breathe
    Get Up
    Crush With Eyeliner
    7 chineSe bros.

  248. milesy Says:

    Kirsten, Good call on Lotus.

    1. These Days
    2. Occupation
    3. Lotus

    (honourable mentions to LMR, Pilgramage, Legends)

    No 7 Chinese Bros coz whenever I hear it I think how much I prefer Voice of Harold.

    Kirsten again- First I get in trouble for not putting D8 or So Central Rain high enough on my list- then you omit them both, while putting Sidewinder at no.2, ahead, I might add, of Fall on Me.

    And I got lemonade in MY face…

  249. milesy Says:

    Mr Cup. The ‘Raking strums’ are indeed an REM magic moment…

    Why has nobody even mentioned Get Up, I wonder? (and how did PS89 make it onto your initial list of 2nd songs?)

  250. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Hi hi, hi hi, hi hi
    Hi hi, hi hi, hi hi

  251. lenny Says:

    Milesy — I mentioned “Get Up” just 2 comments before yours. It’s #3 on my list of favorite #2 songs.

    I was wondering about PS89 being on Mr Cup’s #2 list, too. Maybe his CD starts with track 11 (untitled) and starts over from the beginning, making PS 89 #2, and Get Up #3. That would be a big mistake, though, because the untitled track is perfect at #11. Maybe one of my favorite #11’s. No, wait — Wendell Gee takes that prize. (Then Circus Envy and We Walk)

    OK, the ranking of songs with the same track number is getting out of control — sorry.

  252. milesy Says:

    Lenny- so you did. Apologies…

  253. Kirsten Says:

    Milesy, my apologies. Please accept this damp cloth to clean your face…

    That was the first time I’d tried to compile a list and upon digging deeper I discovered that there were a great deal many fabulous #3’s. Didn’t realise how hard it was. But NTL over D8?? No way. Also, as stated earlier, ask me on a different day and you may get a different response. Maybe if we did the top 15 number 3’s I’d be able to fit more in. :-)

  254. Kirsten Says:

    REMHQ NEWSFLASH!!!!

    These Days reaches a staggering 255!!

  255. Mr Cup Says:

    Go Team!

    First some apologies:

    Popsong 89???? Don’t quite know what I was thinking. Clearly I wasn’t. Or maybe pre-empting the next phase….

    Not chastising Kirsten. I’ve said all I can say about the number 3’s. It’s a tough field of thoroughbreads. I was feeling like the school bully….and she’s a lady. What’s more she’s a lady who fully supported my cricketing segue back there.

    I prefer the Voice of Harold anyday, however the riff remains the same and I loved that story as a kid. Well the idea of holding the ocean in your mouth…his mouth…you know what I mean.

    Waiter, more coffee please…

  256. Kirsten Says:

    The whole world hinges on your swings Mr Cup.

    I love it in 7 CBs when Michael clicks his tongue after saying “pull up a chair” in the last verse instead of seat, as though it was an accident.

  257. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Hi hi , hi hi , hi hi
    Hi hi , hi hi , hi hi

  258. Kirsten Says:

    Hello my friend, are you visible today?

  259. Mr Cup Says:

    My God Kirsten, I wouldn’t have heard that if it wasn’t pointed out.

    When you talk about my swings, do you mean mood, hips or the place where disputes are settled and lemonade dispensed with extreme prejudice?

    I think Bisky is visible, but his nipples have been blocked out.

  260. Kirsten Says:

    LOL – No comment on that one!

    I meant our REM court.

    I also have a live recording of Low where after “All full of glory” he sort of says “huh” and double-clicks his tongue. I always do that when I hear the recorded version too. Maybe they should do a whole song just of Michael clicking his tongue?? I’ll obviously enjoy it! :-)

  261. Mr Cup Says:

    There is an African dialect which includes a lot of dextrous tongue clicking, maybe he’s practicing. Good luck with the’click track’.
    If you need some ‘yeah, yeahs’ let me know.

    It also just occured. We have had a change of government since this particular blog started. We seem to have begun a coy relationship (as a nation) with a left leaning political group again. The shackles of right wing conservatism broken for a spell. Sure, Mr Rudd is so down the middle he doesn’t appear left or right, but hey, a political party with an arts policy an this country? Yeah baby!

  262. Kirsten Says:

    Ha! I was listening to him on the radio this morning and he sounded like an excited little schoolboy! I’m gonna do this, I’m gonna do that. Hopefully he’ll do something before the enthusiasm wears off! Still no gay marriages, though. Although he did say he would relax some of the laws, so we’re getting there. I live in one of the few areas that remained Liberal. Still, our guy does give us a free calendar every year….

  263. Mr Cup Says:

    The Labour government here is very keen to treat gays as real people (how radical!) so it should be a nationwide thing with a clean sweep of the country.

    Apologising to Aborigines. Sheesh!

    Notice how Turnbull has gone all ‘Yes, we should have apologised”
    12 years not fricking long enough to come up with a few reconciliatory words you miserable little private school tits!

    Should we talk about the weather?

  264. Kirsten Says:

    Yeah, you wouldn’t want to be a female homosexual Aborigine under a Liberal government!

    It’s really muggy here today. Hi Hi.

    :-)

  265. Mr Cup Says:

    There’s an opera singer who is just that. Can’t remember her name.

    Speaking of weather:
    Kyoto Agreement…oh look, the people care. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
    Like take Li’l John to the swings.

    Like how we replaced Mr Sheen with Mr Sheenier?

  266. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Mr.Cup, aren’t you in Washington State ? ………thought you stated a while back, and Figgy is in New Zealand , Kirsten in Australia, maclure is somewhere between Brazil and England , BWD in Utah, 2d in Rumania, xman in Massachusetts, jimjos in Florida….

  267. ScottMalobisky Says:

    lenny and milesy, where are you guys at ? Bruno ?

  268. Mr Cup Says:

    we went to the store and bought something great
    which samples this song from washington state
    go
    go little record go
    it is named by
    some guy named joe
    and the words
    are the letters of the word
    that rhyme with a ladies money carrying device

  269. lenny Says:

    Bisky — the answer to your question was covered in comment #117. Feel free to count it out and find the answer. (ha!)

    Hard to believe that it was so long ago that we were only at 117. (It was 8 days ago — that’s a hint to help you find it. For another hint, think baseball.)

  270. lenny Says:

    Bisky – you didn’t mention if you knew where Paul Alferink was from — and I’m curious, because he said that just uttering my baseball team’s name constituted “fighting words” where he comes from. How about it, Paul? Chicagoland, possibly?

  271. maclure Says:

    Ah, the These Days thread is clearly where its at still. Maybe we’ll stay here chatting away until eternity. Comment #1290.

    Yes, I live in Brazil. Milesy, I know. He’s a Brit, formerly housed in South Africa, but now back in Ol Blightey.

  272. lenny Says:

    Don’t even mention eternity…you know that Matthew could cut us off with the click of a mouse, don’t you? I also have a wordpress blog, and it’s just as simple as closing the post, to not allow new comments.

    But he’s probably not reading “these days” anymore, so he won’t pick up on that hint. If I were Matthew, I know I wouldn’t have read past #97 (no offense, milesy — or would that be offence?) And I would have closed it off at 151.

  273. Mr Cup Says:

    Nah – Matthew wouldn’t do that, he knows it’s like a creche for us here. Right?

  274. Kirsten Says:

    He couldn’t! He wouldn’t!! Would he???

    (Starts breathing into paper bag…)

  275. Kirsten Says:

    You up already Mr Cup? To repeat Milesy’s question earlier: When the hell DO you sleep??

  276. Mr Cup Says:

    Sleep is for the weak!

  277. Kirsten Says:

    I don’t sleep – I dream.

  278. Mr Cup Says:

    There is nothing so painful as craving sleep

  279. Kirsten Says:

    What about craving doughnuts?
    God I’m hungry.

  280. ScottMalobisky Says:

    right , lenny , I remember now ; Alferink is in Illinois…….huub is in Holland (I think), Ignis –of course –is in Seattle , the other Scott is in ,well , he hasn’t posted it here so I won’t violate his privacy , although I know…..let’s see , who else ?….DaveGreenlizard , South Africa ?

  281. Mr Cup Says:

    What on earth made you think I was in Washington State Bisky?

  282. Kirsten Says:

    You said you were in WA, That’s probably Washington in the US.

  283. ScottMalobisky Says:

    you’re not in Washington ?
    where the hell are ya then ?
    what planet?

  284. lenny Says:

    Oh, I forgot to ask, too — bisky, where are you from?

    About MrCup; Maybe WA means Wales. Just a guess on my part.

  285. lenny Says:

    Kirsten — ‘Try not to breathe’ into that paper bag — I just meant Matthew could cut off comments to THIS post, not all of them in general.

    Of course, the party will eventually just move on to the next better song that gets posted. But I gotta admit — there aren’t a whole lot better songs than These Days (REM songs, anyway). Believe it or not, I listen to the song almost every time I check the post for it.

  286. Kirsten Says:

    Well I hope Matthew doesn’t post a new song too soon or everyone will lose interest in These Days and we are so VERY VERY close to 300…..

  287. Mr Cup Says:

    I’m not leaving my crease for a bunch of b-sides with a triple ton approaching – no siree Bob!

    WA = Western Awe-stray-leah

    Our state emblem is the Sandgroper (what indeed you may well ask).
    When REM played in ‘89, Stipe into’d with ‘Groovers of the sand – into it”.

  288. jft Says:

    losing interest in these days? never…!

    another one in the row of senseless postings :D and a step closer to 300…

  289. lenny Says:

    Sorry, gang — I just don’t get too excited about these big milestones. 200, 300, whatever. I was just glad that I could claim the 286′th message for my very own. Can anyone guess why? Consider this your number riddle for the day.

  290. ScottMalobisky Says:

    no idea lenny….from Pittsburgh, PA originally , currently living in the San Diego area…constant craving has always been……….

  291. ScottMalobisky Says:

    where you at jft ? bandwagon ? jared ? the mysterious and elusive Michael Black Ph.D ?

  292. ScottMalobisky Says:

    pouring down rain this early morning –LUV IT LUV IT LUV IT, we need rain so badly…..–nothing like rain in the early morning, listening to Saturn Return …..

  293. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Mr. Cup , I COULDA SWORN you said you lived in Washington State United States of America somewhere along the line ………

  294. ScottMalobisky Says:

    the weird thing is , lenny, that #286 means something to me but I can’t figure what , resonated somewhere within me ……hmmn…

  295. jft Says:

    scott, hmm? i didn’t exactly understand what you wanted to ask me. well, whether it was anything senseful…

  296. lenny Says:

    Keep thinking, scott — 286 specifically applies to this post, and no others. It’s the same way I’d take notice of message #387 on “exhuming mccarthy” (if it ever came to that).

  297. maclure Says:

    One…

  298. maclure Says:

    …step…

  299. maclure Says:

    …beyond! Yah! 300! **uncorks bottle of champers**

    I’m sorry if I broke some unwritten rule of commenting that says you shouldn’t post in sequence just to get to a new number. Oh well, here we are.

    #286. The second song from an album made in ‘86.
    #387. The third song from an album made in ‘87.

    I’m holding out for a Monster track any day now from Matt. If so, perhaps I’ll be posting on #194, although it may take us a while to get there.

  300. Ignis Sol Says:

    these days are angry like a black crow on the moon clawing and scratching across the expansive darkness behind our eyes.

  301. lenny Says:

    Nice job, maclure. I knew that my 2nd clue would give it a way. Good luck on 194. I’m waiting for 886, my all time favorite song, but I’m not holding my breath on getting that many comments.

  302. ScottMalobisky Says:

    I was just asking jft, where you are at (geographically speaking) ?

    that’s a good one , lenny , and I think that one will get a lot of comments

  303. Mr Cup Says:

    I’ll be up for the journey on 886 Lenny.

    Bisky, maybe I mentioned WA but certainly never implied Washington State. I dabbled my toes there one weekend, but that was so long ago. A month before Mr Cobain departed the be precise.

    Now, where are those Persians?
    (and my fantasy tan).

  304. ScottMalobisky Says:

    ..or the expansive darkness in front of our eyes….

  305. milesy Says:

    Man, I have a couple of days too busy to get online and come back thinking they’ll be something new- and These Days is still going strong!
    Thanks for the answer on my behalf maclure- I confess to being in Oxford, England.

    Nice work on the Pixies lyrics Mr Cup- I’m surprised no one else picked that one up. Go little record go indeed!

  306. Mr Cup Says:

    Thanks for noticing milesy.
    The Pixies would be my second faveourite band. They finally toured here this year. It was a beautiful thing.

  307. lenny Says:

    What? Only 2 messages on December 1st — this thing might actually be slowing down now.

    I was wondering about the Mr Cup post a while back — so it was the Pixies — interesting. Wow, this post has covered a lot of ground, hasn’t it.

    Imagine what kind of journey it would have to be to reach 886… It probably won’t make it that far. I could talk about how I put I Believe on just about every CD mix I make, how I made it into a ring tone for my phone…the lyrics starting with “trust in your calling…” How it’s the best #8 song by far. How LRP has the best 8-9-10 of any album. How I even love the banjo intro on it. We could list other great songs featuring the banjo (starting with Wendell Gee). It will be a great month and a half — that post. But it still won’t reach 886.

  308. lenny Says:

    …make that 3 messages on December 1.

  309. Mr Cup Says:

    Oh how I love a good banjo. One song I love at the moment is “your rocky spine” by the Great Lake Swimmers. Nice banjo.

    4

  310. milesy Says:

    Here we go again. Now it’s a best 8-9-10. Lenny kickstarts the thread…
    Totally agree with I believe as a top song, another example of JMS making something remarkable out of an apparently very simple, repeating loop (see Me in Honey comments).

    But, if LRP has a weak moment (which it doesn’t really) then it would be What if we give it away. For me, at least. Don’t have time to think of a better 8-9-10 now, but I’m working on it…

  311. 2d Says:

    i agree with you, milesy. that song is the weakest moment on LRP, and what annoys me most is that it comes right after the best in the bunch!!! (yes, “i believe” is my favourite r.e.m. song as well) :D

  312. 2d Says:

    + i have always felt that the second half (or, to narrow it down, 3rd quarter) of most r.e.m. albums is slightly weaker/losing momentum than the rest.

    as for 8-9-10, i think i’d pick “you’re in the air”/”walk unafraid”/”why not smile” … fragile, crystalline, pure lovesong / empowering, dark, personal anthem / beautiful, intimate, heartfelt hug (matthew gets copyright for this one).

  313. jft Says:

    to add sth to the 8-9-10-talk:
    my choice would be Out Of Time. even if I’m not that much into that album, those 3 tracks in a row “half a world away”/”texarkana”/”country feedback” are close to perfect.

  314. milesy Says:

    OK, for me there’s two options for the best 8-9-10:
    Either Murmur: The plaintive cry of ‘conversation fear’ bookended by two complete classics of the early period, Sitting Still and Shaking Through, all melodic, harmonic and jangly… just perfect.

    Or Automatic: Ignoreland, Kitten, Man on the Moon- beat that for variety, and capturing the wide range of talents that was REM at the peak of their success…

  315. Mr Cup Says:

    Oh Jeez…

    2d and jft present nice options, Green presents some tantalizing morsels with Orange Crush, Inside Out and Hairshirt (the latter not usually a crowd pleaser). Monster has a nice run also. But I will have to agree with milesy. After listening to Shaking Through I think one should observe silence for a while.

    A tougher, perhaps better challenge might be best three in a row…

  316. Mr Cup Says:

    …and without actually checking, I’m thinking off the top of my head,
    Man on the Moon, Nightswimming and Find the River could be a little hard to conquer.

  317. jft Says:

    oh… to pick the best 3 in a row is quite hard. there are several options, but at the moment I think I’d go for “Diminished”/”Parakeet”/”Falls To Climb”.

  318. Kirsten Says:

    Contratulations everyone!! 300 is a great achievement.

    8-9-10: that was hard, but I choose Document: Fireplace, Lighnin’ Hopkins, King of Birds.

    Document also has one of the best 3-in-a-row: Lighnin’ Hopkins, King of Birds, Oddfellows Local 151.

    But the best 3-in-a-row must go to NAIHF as it has 2!
    Binky The Doormat, So Fast So Numb, Low Desert
    and
    Undertow, E-Bow The Letter, Leave

  319. ScottMalobisky Says:

    YEAH , Kirsten , your in my corner on Oddfellows !!!
    there may be a serious showdown brewing , great to have you on board……

  320. Mr Cup Says:

    I like Oddfellows a lot and can’t have a bad word said about Document in casual conversation, but it doesn’y quite reach the heights.

    I’ve always loved the run of Occupation, Mcarthy, Heron House. With Worksong in front it is my Mt Rushmore.

  321. Kirsten Says:

    Oddfellows is easily the best song on Document. And it has a really cool title.

  322. ScottMalobisky Says:

    WOW KIRSTEN !!! “easily the best song on Document.”!!! WOW….Those are some strong words there, I didn’t think you liked it that much !

  323. Kirsten Says:

    It’s more about the music than anything else.

    ITEOTWAWKI is better live though.

  324. Mr Cup Says:

    And those grunts at the end!

    Big call. Very surprised to hear it would be anyones favourite song.
    As they say – “You go girlfriend!”

  325. Kirsten Says:

    Hey, we’ve had no electricity for a couple of hours – severe storms here today. Now, what did I miss?? Oh, not much!! Just to clarify, I said it was my favourite song from Document, not out of all the songs. But I still stand by my claim.

  326. Mr Cup Says:

    Sorry – from Document. It’s still surprising.

    Picking one song is too hard. I tried. I failed.

  327. Kirsten Says:

    I must add that on a different day I may change my mind, but more often than not, Oddfellows is the one I skip to first before listening to the rest of the CD.

  328. lenny Says:

    My my my — when an idea comes up, people just run with it. I was only half joking about the 8-9-10 songs, but i thought that discussion would be held on the I Believe page, whenever its turn comes around! Oh well — I guess people are determined to keep this post going strong, whatever it takes.

  329. milesy Says:

    Mr Cup, what can I say? Occupation, McCarthy, Heron House would certainly be really hard to beat as a best ever 3 in a row.

    I’m firmly in the defending 151 camp, as I may have said before… But I’ve forgotten who we’re supposed to be fighting! Have to wait and see, I suppose…

  330. lenny Says:

    But about my 8-9-10 — after further review — I’m tempted to change my answer to Out of Time. I had overlooked that album’s 8-9-10, because it’s not on my iTunes list — I still only have it on a cassette. Bad lenny, bad REM fan!

    Although — I’m not really overly disappointed with the #9 track on LRP. Yeah, it’s kind of a drop off from #8 on the CD, but what song wouldn’t pale in comparison? If I chose WIWGIA as my least favorite on LRP, it would only be because I like every song on the CD a lot, and one had to finish in last place (it’s like Steven Malkmus’ choice from the Time after Time discussion).

  331. lenny Says:

    I’ve got a theory — if ‘I Believe’ was anywhere near the early part of this album, it would win every discussion of 1-2-3, 2-3-4, top 3 in a row anywhere, hands down. I guess it suffers from its placement on the album — but that could be the very thing that makes it stand out even further as such an incredible song.

  332. ScottMalobisky Says:

    have way to 666 , push it Baby …….ooooooooh yeah
    ooh yeah ooh yeah come on come come on come on come on do it do it do it do it do it push push push push …..
    whomever posts 666 is the Anti-Christ

  333. ScottMalobisky Says:

    milesy, the Oddfellows thing sorta started with the Strange posting if I recall correctly, the lines were being drawn, the lemonade was being brewed , the swings were being polished, the first-aid kits prepared

  334. ScottMalobisky Says:

    uh, that’s half-way to 666, not have way , somewhere between my brain and my fingertips the thought began , the thought began and I missed it…and now we are more than half-way .if I can keep up this flow of inanities a while longer we’ll make significant progress…….

  335. Kirsten Says:

    I think with a little hard work we can make it to 666. But which one of us will be the Anti-Christ??? Only time will tell…..

  336. Kirsten Says:

    Hey, maybe REM could take little snippets of things we’ve said and turn it into a song – a mini tribute to us! They could call it “These High Speed Days”…

  337. Mr Cup Says:

    I had an antelope, and it sunk, reached down, yanked it up, I’ll never look back again…..

  338. lenny Says:

    Good idea, Kirsten — But I have a better name for the next great REM single: “All the way to 666 (you’re gonna be an anti-christ)”

  339. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Vladimir Putin

  340. Kirsten Says:

    LOL! I like the way you think Lenny!!

  341. lenny Says:

    Question… why does Scott always drop in with random messages like “Vladimir Putin” or “hi hi hi hi hi…”?

    Just wondering. I had to come up with something to keep this post going. It seems to be losing some steam.

  342. lenny Says:

    And I’m glad you liked that one, Kirsten. But I don’t think that 666 is going to happen. At this rate, 400 doesn’t look good. I hate to admit it, but I’m ready to move on. I just need the right song to be posted by Matthew, and I’ll start another furious deluge of comments.

  343. Mr Cup Says:

    Soft.

    We lookin’ at three fiddy.
    Three Fiddy and you wanna move on!

  344. ScottMalobisky Says:

    The Soft Parade
    Furious at freedom
    So utterly unattained

  345. lenny Says:

    …see, that’s what I’m talking about, right there… stuff like that, Bisky. You just wrote that because Mr. Cup wrote “Soft.”?? I guess I’m out of the loop, because I just don’t know where you come up with stuff like that (and Vladimir Putin).

  346. lenny Says:

    And Cup: I’ll only move on if a better song comes along… or, if a day goes by with less than 5 comments, or if a day passes without a comment from each of you. I see that it’s down to about 4 or 5 of us. (Kirsten, Scott, Cup, myself, and maybe milesy.)

  347. lenny Says:

    I got your three fiddy…

  348. lenny Says:

    RIGHT HERE!

  349. Kirsten Says:

    Whooo-hooo! Well done Lenny!

    Now, only 316 to go…..

    (make that 315 now)

  350. Mr Cup Says:

    I’m here for you lenny. Somtimes I may need to be a little antagonistic in the hope that that friction will provide a spark. Bisky seems to run with it.

    Next milestone, I reckon, would be 365 as it’s the amount of time (in days…in an average year) it takes the Earth to revolve ATS.

  351. Kirsten Says:

    I’d also like to keep this post going by saying something that would usually be kept to the current post.
    On behalf of those of us who are already into Thursday 6th December, I’d like to extend an increadably huge Happy Birthday to a very talented man known as Peter Lawrence Buck. 51 today. Have a great day, Pete!

    WE LOVE YOU!!!

  352. Mr Cup Says:

    HBTY
    HBTY
    HBDP
    HBTY

    HIP
    HIP
    HOO
    RAY

  353. Kirsten Says:

    What should we get him??

  354. Kirsten Says:

    Oh, I know.

    I’ll get him a big bouquet
    I’ll pick it myself today
    It’ll compliment his eyes
    There’ll (hopefully) be love at the end of the line

    Ahh, High Speed Train and These Days finally become one…

  355. Mr Cup Says:

    All of a sudden, these high speed trains, happy thongs, take this joy, wherever you goo-oooo-oooo-oooo-oooo-oo

  356. Mr Cup Says:

    He’s on the market you know.

  357. Kirsten Says:

    Well if he’s read even half of what I’ve written he’ll know to keep well away from me!!

    However, he should admire our commitment to These Days.
    :-)

  358. Kirsten Says:

    Maybe if I try to lure him up to that watertower…..

  359. Mr Cup Says:

    You just don’t know who you’ll find up there Kirsten!

  360. Kirsten Says:

    Wow, we’re up to 360 – a Perfect Circle.

  361. Mr Cup Says:

    How did I miss that one?

  362. Kirsten Says:

    I’ll let you take 720 – 2 perfect circles!!

  363. Kirsten Says:

    These Days.
    These 365 Days.
    These 365 Days of the year.
    These 365 Days of every year.
    If you read 1 entry per day for an entire year, this is where you’d end up.

    These Days take away these scattered bones of my meal.

  364. milesy Says:

    Happy Birthday PB,
    What should we get him? Well, you can never have too many records in your collection. I suggest a single that was released in the UK but not the States, so he probably doesn’t have it in that format…. Wendell Gee!

  365. ScottMalobisky Says:

    and Stipe will be 48 in less than a month…….

  366. ScottMalobisky Says:

    The Soft Parade is one of my favorite album titles ever, or Caress Of Steel , or Tiny Music (Songs From The Vatican Gift Shop)………..Physical Graffiti, Knocked Out Loaded, Fables Of The Reconstruction…..
    Anybody got any favorite album titles ?

  367. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Done With Mirrors

  368. ScottMalobisky Says:

    How’s this for a lyric ? RHCP, “Double chins and bowling pins and phony Presbyterians..”, from Especially In Michigan……

  369. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Kirsten, don’t forget about the 366 days of Leap Year , The Color Of The Brisk And Leaping These Days.

  370. ScottMalobisky Says:

    “a disenchanted diplomat asleep inside the laundromat”

  371. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Peter’s got twins , eh ?
    I’m a twin , scary ,huh?

  372. Ignis Sol Says:

    Two ScottM’s? Which one are you? And, btw, I am originally from Michigan – not Presbyterian, though. No double chin, yet. And, my hometown DID make bowling pins at one point (Brunswick). Now, that’s scary, HUH? HUH!

    A fav album title: “Pill ‘n’ Thrills and Bellyaches” Happy Mondays

  373. Kirsten Says:

    Talking Heads – Fear Of Music

    And NAIHF is also really cool.

    Sorry Michael, not that keen on “Cat Butt”
    :-)

  374. Ignis Sol Says:

    How about “janet” by Janet Jackson

    Better yet, the first two Weezer albums.

  375. Kirsten Says:

    Two Biskys?? And all this time I’ve been thinking Scotty’s been having conversations with himself……

  376. Ignis Sol Says:

    make that the first and third Weezer albums…. i promise I’m not stoned.

  377. ScottMalobisky Says:

    yeah , we’re identical twins in the medical sense of the word (with the exact genetic make-up , originally from the one fertilized egg that then split) although we are quite different THESE DAYS philosophically and politically , he’s back in Pittsburgh…….We look more like brothers THESE DAYS than twins–I’m three minutes older–my family has always said that I look more like my older brother that died of AIDS than I do my twin , and I tend to agree

    cool album title : Silk Degrees

  378. Kirsten Says:

    Isn’t that funny that you look more like your older brother than your ‘identical’ twin? Probably nice for your parents to see a bit of him in you.

    Excellent use of the term THESE DAYS too Bisky!

  379. Ignis Sol Says:

    THESE DAYS is another great name for a day-to-day R.E.M. blog.

  380. Mr Cup Says:

    Trompe Le Monde
    More Songs About Buildings and Food
    Janet

    in that order!

  381. jft Says:

    wow, still sth going on here during these days …

  382. Kirsten Says:

    There’s something strange going on tonight, there’s something going on that’s not quite right…

    Sorry, couldn’t resist!

  383. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Empire Burlesque
    Weasels Rip My Flesh

  384. Kirsten Says:

    Weasels or Hyenas??

  385. lenny Says:

    Sorry Bisky — I’m just not as quick with the stream of consciousness messages. (Empires, weasels, or Doors albums) It’s kind of hard to keep up when I haven’t posted a message for a day and a half… BTW, I don’t have Soft Parade, either — just the self-titled and best of door albums. Darn.

  386. lenny Says:

    Oh, favorite album titles… do they have to be albums we like a lot, too? Or just titles we like? (2 lists)

    Favorite albums with great titles:
    Wish You Were Here (just rolls off the tongue)
    Happiness is not a Fish that You Can Catch
    Under the Table and Dreaming
    Modern Life Is Rubbish
    Comfort Eagle

    Just bizarre/funny/clever titles:
    Did I Shave My Legs for This?
    Enema of the State
    The Burdens of Being Upright

    (does anyone even know all of these?)

  387. lenny Says:

    Aww, sweeeeet!! I just posted message # ‘exhuming mccarthy’! Little did I know way back at 286 (these days), that we would actually get to 387, and I got it! Also got You are the Everything.

    If you don’t understand this message, you weren’t paying attention on November 30th. (Just search this page for “number riddle”)

  388. Mr Cup Says:

    This is the the set up for:

  389. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Cracker LOW :
    “sometimes when I walk these streets behind a green sheet of glass”

  390. Ignis Sol Says:

    It’s a good day when you wake up to the radio playin’ “Pop Song 89″
    “hello, I know you, I knew you….”

    When you awake from R.E.M. by R.E.M., you know you are in for a strange and beautiful day!

    Bless KEXP and their love for R.E.M. (kexp.org – check it out, friends!)

    (i once woke up to a cover version of “Orange Crush” followed by “Turn You Inside-Out”)

  391. Mr Cup Says:

    Someone is definately in love!

  392. Ignis Sol Says:

    I skipped the part about LOVE……

  393. ScottMalobisky Says:

    night suits me fine , morning suits me fine
    no that’s a lie
    THESE DAYS I much prefer the morning than the night didn’t used to be that way …….but now
    “It’s awfully easy to be hard-boiled about things in the daytime but at night it’s quite another story.”———Ernest Hemingway

  394. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Enema Of The State. Beastie Boys ?

  395. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Wish You Were Here and Under The Table and Dreaming , I do know ……….How about favorite lyrics ?

  396. ScottMalobisky Says:

    anybody got the new REM LIVE ? what do you think of it?

    cool album title : Live Evil or ,maybe my all time favorite album title : Intensities In Ten Cities

  397. Mr Cup Says:

    f o u r h u n d r e d

    thangyewverymuch!

  398. Kirsten Says:

    401 – on the way to 500!

  399. Kirsten Says:

    The closer I get, the further I feel.
    I’m certain I’ve said that before.

  400. Kirsten Says:

    The closer I get, the further I feel.
    I’m certain
    I’ve said that
    Before.

  401. lenny Says:

    I have a quote that kills two birds with one stone:
    1. Response to Kirsten’s statement.
    2. Response to Scott’s favorite lyric question.

    “The more you ignore me, the closer I get.”
    – a great song and lyric by Morrissey (though the song is chock full of great lyrics, besides the title)

  402. lenny Says:

    Artists from my other favorite album titles, in case anyone was still wondering (Scott asked about them)

    Enema of the State — Blink 182
    The Burdens of Being Upright — Tracy Bonham
    Happiness is not a Fish that You can Catch — a lesser known album by my favorite Canadian band, Our Lady Peace
    Modern Life is Rubbish — Blur
    Comfort Eagle — Cake

  403. Kirsten Says:

    No Comments Today?!
    Well I’ll drag this baby to 666 even if I have to do it myself!

  404. ScottMalobisky Says:

    I figured I’d find you here :) one more.

  405. Kirsten Says:

    We should’ve saved the Magician conversation for here.

    One more.

  406. Kirsten Says:

    And thanks Scotty. I appreciate your help!

  407. Mr Cup Says:

    I was drawn from my crease…

  408. Mr Cup Says:

    I put the name Michael Stipe into an anagram generator. The best one:

    Emphatic Lies

  409. Kirsten Says:

    Emphatic Lies?? Ha! That explanes soooo many lyrics!

  410. Kirsten Says:

    It also sounds really cool.
    We might find the term “emphatic lies” in the lyrics of their next single….

  411. Mr Cup Says:

    Alchemist Pie
    Cheap Elitism
    Shipmate Lice
    Email Pitches
    Impale Ethics
    A Speech Limit
    A Chemist Pile
    I Machete Lips
    Camels Tie Hip
    Shit Lime Pace

  412. Ignis Sol Says:

    Ha, good one Mr Cup. I wonder what Ignis Sol would generate….

    btw happy Chanukah! My special guy celebrates this and I had latkes. Shalom to all you happy throngs!

  413. Kirsten Says:

    A Speech Limit is another brilliant one!
    You’re gonna have to hit REM for some royalties!

  414. Ignis Sol Says:

    I just checked out an anagram site (while still working, of course).
    I like – Michael Stipe: Male Epic Shit

  415. Mr Cup Says:

    Shalom Ignis and ’special friend’.

  416. Ignis Sol Says:

    ‘ ‘ sums up my life! :)

  417. Kirsten Says:

    Be greatful – the best I could come up with for me was “Stinker”
    :-)
    Sums up my life?

  418. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Jim Morrison –Mr. Mojo Risin (?)

  419. Kirsten Says:

    Hey, that’s creepy! I wonder if he knew that when he wrote it?

  420. ScottMalobisky Says:

    A Speech Limit means no filibustering….

  421. ScottMalobisky Says:

    is it true that Cobain , Hendrix, Morrison ,Joplin , Brian Jones, and Curtis Mayfield were all 27 when they died ? so , maybe that’s why Cobain chose that age to commit suicide ??????? or just coincidence I wonder ….I’d have to check those ages though I don’t have time right now.

  422. Kirsten Says:

    Coincidence.
    Cobain was murdered.

  423. Mr Cup Says:

    I think Mr Morrison was aware of it.

    So ah…Sesame Street now comes with an R rating. Is political correctness going a wee bit too far?

  424. Mr Cup Says:

    Peter Buck = Beep Truck

  425. Kirsten Says:

    It’s Elmo’s potty mouth.

  426. Kirsten Says:

    It’s Elmo’s potty mouth.

  427. Mr Cup Says:

    I’m certain you’ve said that before…

    (did you just get a ‘hang’ in yer post?)

  428. Mr Cup Says:

    jim jos posted this in MOTM, but I’ll carry it on here.

    New REM album (title):

    Brawl, Emu Men

  429. Kirsten Says:

    Yeah, sorry my computer shit itself.

    I’m quite hung up on A Speech Limit. But you’d really have to hear the album first. And no, Mr. Stipe, for the hundredth time you cannot call it Cat Butt!!

  430. Mr Cup Says:

    Rub Me, Lawnmen

  431. Kirsten Says:

    New Um Ramble.

    That one’s perfect!

  432. Kirsten Says:

    We Rumble Man.

  433. Kirsten Says:

    Or, to keep in line with REM LIVE, why don’t they just call it NEW REM ALBUM?

  434. Mr Cup Says:

    A new mumbler

  435. Ignis Sol Says:

    We Rumble Man.
    sounds like something Michael and I do…. :)

  436. Mr Cup Says:

    NEW REM ALBUM:

    Aw Lumbermen

  437. Ignis Sol Says:

    Next R.E.M. title possibilities


    Momentum
    Well Liked Well Hated
    Tunnels & Towers
    Naked
    Globe of Whores
    Visitor
    Kill.Vox
    Eclipsing
    Statica
    Coyote
    Unmixed!Underproduced!Understood?
    vengeance

  438. Ignis Sol Says:

    More titles….. (distraction from working on a story)


    The Sublime BEING
    still.LIFE.artist
    AMFMPM
    Neurotico
    Age of Insects

  439. Ignis Sol Says:

    trivia:

    Did you know that kid from the “It’s the End of the World (dot,dot,dot) And I Feel Fine” video has an Athens Georgia rockband called Music Hates You!

  440. Mr Cup Says:

    My response when people say ‘I hate jazz’ is:

    Jazz hates You!

  441. Mr Cup Says:

    I could see them using Eclipsing.

  442. Ignis Sol Says:

    hmmm, more, more I am obsessed now


    Revolution Equals Music
    Spank the Roosters
    janet

  443. Mr Cup Says:

    again with the laughing out loud!!!!

    That’s very Seattle…yeaaaaagghhh we come to spank the rooster…

  444. Mr Cup Says:

    Funnier still to call an album…janet.

    Inertiaville

  445. Mr Cup Says:

    Strapped to the Hampster

  446. Ignis Sol Says:

    eeeks, that singer…Lane Staley from Alice in Chains lived down the street from when I lived in Seattle’s University District when he died in his condo by himself.
    He was there quite awhile before they found him. I used to see him having coffee at my favorite cafe nearby (two doors down from Bruce Lee’s old studio). He was very unassuming. I didn’t know it was him until the sexy barista, David, pointed him out to me.

  447. ScottMalobisky Says:

    he called it , Ignis ,
    Down In A Hole
    Man In The Box
    ….amongst others ……..came over the wire today that the cause of death for Kevin Dubrow in Las Vegas about a month ago was………………………………………………………………cocaine overdose …..

  448. ScottMalobisky Says:

    think I’m gonna end up buying the REM Live record before the end of the month

  449. Ignis Sol Says:

    yeah, he did call it…
    damn drugs

    i guess he died on the same day as Kurt Cobain

    When my out of town friends visit, I drive them by Kurt’s old house on Lake Washington. He lived right by Seattle’s peaceful and beautiful arboretum/Japanese Gardens. It is a place I go to in warmer months for solitude. I have my favorite rock I sit on that is just next to a small pond with wonderful weeds surrounding and floating in it. Although I am in the heart of big city, I am alone and there is a quietness that is comforting, soothing and refreshing.

  450. Ignis Sol Says:

    There is a horrendous chain restaurant in the U.S. called Outback Steakhouse and the great band from Athens Georgia, Of Montreal, licensed “Wraith Pinned To The Mist And Other Games…” for it…..

    Now every time I listen to them I think of their cruddy food (I have only been their a few times and that was in the 90’s) and that horrible Blooming Onion they dish out.

    My apologies to my Australian friends for this embarrassing representation for your splendid land.

    I forgive Of Montreal. I have nothing against music artists using their songs for jingles, but choose wisely. Avis rent a car is good company….and Stoli!

    “Orange Crush” for duh, “Orange Crush.”

    “Losing My Religin” for those Left Behind series….

    And I Ramble

  451. Mr Cup Says:

    It’s funny overseas where you see things that are supposed to be representative of your country. Whenever I see Fosters beer it astounds me. No one, and I mean NO ONE drinks it here. Yet OS it’s the only Oz beer available. yech.

    Does the Outback Steakhouse have kangaroos hopping all over the tables, and goannas sliding over your feet?

  452. Ignis Sol Says:

    Mr. Cup, the answer, sadly, is yes. Yes, mate!

    Yeah, about the things you see overseas that are supposed to be representative of us – that President guy – not representative of ME at all. Just sayin’

    I do like that Olivia Newton John. She is just peachy, peachy. That girl is going places.

  453. Mr Cup Says:

    Olivia Neutron Bomb!
    She’s gonna be star!

  454. lenny Says:

    All the way to Xanadu…

  455. Ignis Sol Says:

    have to believe we are tragic, er magic….

  456. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Xanadu…….cool

  457. lenny Says:

    I only mentioned Xanadu because it sounds much better in that statement than “Rydell High School”. I’ve actually never seen Xanadu, so O.N.J. has always been, and always will be, “Sandy” to me.

  458. ScottMalobisky Says:

    new REM album title—-

    Thrash Forward Red Disease

  459. ScottMalobisky Says:

    or……

    Black Flamenco Diamond

  460. lenny Says:

    I thought these days were over and done! No comments on Dec. 13th…

    I don’t know what “black flamenco diamond” is an anagram for, but I like another one for the same letters:
    “Damnable Nomadic Flock”

  461. lenny Says:

    Again, I don’t know what this is an anagram for, but a good one for “Thrash Forward Red Disease” is “Hardheaded Sirs Row Faster”.

  462. Mr Cup Says:

    A Black Inflamed Condom
    A Blockaded Conman Film
    A Nonflammable Cock Did
    A Boldfaced Milkman Con

    ….something there for the censors to chew over

  463. Ignis Sol Says:

    new R.E.M. title!:

    chew

  464. ScottMalobisky Says:

    What would Conan O’Brien do ?

  465. lenny Says:

    To: Paul A.
    Re: Comment #121

    You’ll be happy to know that Jim Edmonds is no longer a St. Louis Cardinal.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3155811

  466. ScottMalobisky Says:

    “A lot of pop music is about stealing pocket money from children.”_______Ian Anderson, 1989

  467. ScottMalobisky Says:

    “Follow me if I advance. Kill me if I retreat. Revenge me if I die.”__________Ngo Dinh Diem, 1954

  468. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Edmonds in center
    Giles in right
    Scott Hairshirt in left

  469. Kirsten Says:

    I’m gonna DJ at the end of These Days.

  470. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Dan Fogelberg died , 56, of prostate cancer , how sad

  471. Ignis Sol Says:

    In Buck News….

    The Crocodile Cafe – famous Seattle Club owned by Peter Buck’s ex-wife and mother of his twins – is closing.
    The Minus 5 has played there many times.

    http://lineout.thestranger.com/2007/12/croc_closed

    —–
    Sad news about Mr. Fogelberg. I like that Christmas song he sings and I am not one for Christmas songs. I think I like it because it is tinged with melancholy and longing. :)

  472. Mr Cup Says:

    Has the Stranger changed? I remember it being a fiercley independant paper.

  473. Kirsten Says:

    Happy birthday to Mike for the 17th! Hope you have a great day.

  474. Ignis Sol Says:

    Mr Cup-

    The Stranger is kind of the same. Dan Savage is the Editor, so it retains some its sass. It is touted as the alternative independent weekly for Seattle. It has decent coverage of politics, art and music. Big issues in Seattle are the pricey condo explosion that is pricing out people with modern incomes and knocking down blocks of beloved clubs and bars. How many rich people are out there? I wonder what compels them to move here? Seattle has yet to feel the real estate market crunch. These Days are strange and ever changing.

    R.E.M. title: DUCK BUTT

  475. Ignis Sol Says:

    er, by “modern incomes” i mean modest incomes, which is probably the same thing is some way…

  476. Mr Cup Says:

    We have a situation where all the good live venues were closed and converted into retirement homes. There are no pubs with any character anywhere. Just shiny, reflective, overpriced glamour holes.

    Real estate is beyond farcical. Tiny weatherboard workers cottages are going for $750 – 800k aud.
    Every new building is ‘luxury apartments’ at an absolute minimum of 2 million bucks. One abnormally wealthy family is building a house for the princely sum of $70 million.

    Crazy, crazy times. Again.

  477. ScottMalobisky Says:

    according to CNN (isn’t it sad when one has to preface a news item with “according to” ? ,I really just don’t know what to believe anymore , really don’t. I suppose the truth is out there somewhere between the extremes of viewpoints one is bombarded with every day ) the other day ,”the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, the top 1% of the richest people–can’t recall if it was the USA or the world, think it was the USA–have more total wealth than the bottom 20% of the population combined “

  478. Ignis Sol Says:

    This insurgency began and I missed it.

    yeah, Scott. I am scared that I will be priced out of my wonderful neighborhood. I do ok, but I am not ready for my apartment to be converted into a condo. Although, some are very nice. I am not quite ready for that investment, yet.

    The closing of the Crocodile Cafe is making headline news in Seattle because it where famous bands like Nirvana and Mudhoney (who I saw there) got their start. People on the local blog (called the Slog) in the Stranger, a weekly independent, even mentioned the Buckster and Scott a few times. Someone even blamed the closing on his divorce! I have a good memory of the dude from Harvey Danger accidentally spilling a little of his beer on my courdoroy coat. I don’t think he realized it. That coat was Built to Spill. HA!

    It is funny because all the billboards for all the new condos going up say: “luxurious living in the heart of……..blah….” There are around 40 or more skyscrapers (some are offices and apartments) being built in Seattle. Across the skyline you see the strong arms of construction cranes flexing. This is in contrast to the sturdy and sure cranes in the port lifting and heaving huge crates from China and lands nearby it. This is not Buck’s fault….. or is it?

  479. Kirsten Says:

    We bought our house 6 years ago and had it valued a couple of weeks ago and it had doubled in price! How ridiculous – our house is really not worth that much. If we were trying to get into the house market now, we simply wouldn’t be able to. What we paid for our house 6 years ago would only get a 30 year old 1 bedroom unit today. How are young people suppose to get a start in life?

  480. Ignis Sol Says:

    They start by listening to R.E.M., Life and How to Live It! It is written in a Document and once you are done you get to enjoy Lifes Rich Pageant.
    HOPEfully, you do not run OUT OF TIME. Don’t FRET when the WORLD IS A MONSTER. Find your Perfect Circle of acquaintances and friends. Remember Everybody Hurts, but Sweetness Follows.

    Kirsten, I think I am going crazy… :) to quote Radiohead “this is really happening…”

  481. ScottMalobisky Says:

    anybody got the new Radiohead ? I’ve heard one very cool song on 94.9 FM..”where the music matters”..; ‘Jigsaw Falling Into Place’………is the song I heard.

    Ignis in cordoroy , cool , hey man , where can I see your pic again ? never followed that link awhile back , I am very curious to see what you look like.

  482. ScottMalobisky Says:

    …….if I had the money I would much prefer to have a fancy , secure luxury apartment right smack in the middle of the happening city as opposed to a big mansion in the country…..if I had to make a choice ….but then again maybe I could have both :) , it would be so cool really to have a spacious high rise condo/apartment in the city , the kind where you are right in the center of the action but able at any moment to lock the door behind you and leave the madness out there if you so chose , you know?…..just walk through the front door of the building past the doorman , get into the elevator ,ride it upstairs to your own little sumptuous sanctuary ,pour yourself some liquid refreshment and go out onto the balcony , sit down and gaze out upon the peons below. the ones who have to be concerned with negotiating the thirty miles back home after the party’s over and having to make such a big production out of coming into the city in the first place, you know …? I don’t sleep I dream…..

  483. ScottMalobisky Says:

    …..that apt on Frasier in Seattle , can you tell where it’s at in the city there, Ignis, by the view out the window ????????….one of these days I’ll make it to Seattle…….

  484. Ignis Sol Says:

    Scott,

    my pic from my myspace:
    http://www.myspace.com/ignis_sol

    there is a few pics in my profile.

    Yes, Frasier leaves in Queen Anne neighborhood. Seattle has Seven Hills. That is one of them on the north of town. His view, seemingly, looks south on the city. The skyline has changed a lot since that show has been on and cancelled. The building I work in, WaMu Center/Seattle Art Museum was just completed last year and it is 42 floors.

    If you come to Seattle I will hang out with you and buy you a coffee! Maybe sneak in a beer or two from a brew pub? And take you buy Kurt’s old house.
    I live in the Capitol Hill neighborhood.

    And Frasier, I am sure, owned a codo! Damn him! :)

    Grey’s Anatomy is set in the same ‘hood (by the Space Needle). They occasionally come to town and shoot some stuff. The roof shots from the hospital are shot from the roof of the TV station. Inside note: that neighborhood is not zoned for hospitals, that would be First Hill.

  485. ScottMalobisky Says:

    that’s very cool , Man , would love to have a coffee with you (I drink lots of coffee) , don’t drink alcohol though , although maybe I will have relapsed by the time I get there ……:). I would still very much love to check out the scene , go out and not drink, I do that without a problem (which is kinda amazing to me really)

    is that photo in your apartment ? I always imagined you with wild-assed hair BTW , guess I was wrong :) …………not wild ass hair but wild-assed hair……..

  486. Ignis Sol Says:

    yeah, that is my apartment

    i remember saying you don’t drink, i don’t want to be an enticer. i have friends who don’t drink, but still go out and have fun.

    my hair was really long a couple of years ago. I go
    back and forth. It IS really wild and curly right now.
    i should update some photos.
    LOL @ wild ass hair — my friend Michael and I have a dirty inside joke about that….LOL!

    any pics of you online?

    you, Kirsten?

    Mr Cup?

    Seattle still has a cool scene despite all the changes and griping going on… I manage to kick up the dirt.

  487. ScottMalobisky Says:

    no pics of me on line , how would I go about doing that ? I do have a few in my Kodak files.

  488. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Came very close to buyng the live record last night , had it in my hand at Wal-mart , put it back remembering that I was there to buy for other people, not myself.

  489. lenny Says:

    Hey — the “these days” page was 1 month old yesterday and nobody mentioned it. Oh well, the post has reached a dozen other milestones, so what’s one more?

    I have the newest Radiohead album, Scott. It’s pretty good. I definitely like it better than the previous one, “Hail to the Thief”. But it’s like every other album — it takes a little while to warm up to it, and it has it’s own unique sound. Definitely worth buying (but you can get it online for nothing, of course).

  490. Ignis Sol Says:

    Yeah, R.E.M. Live is great. I bought it at the Borders near my office (the same one I worked at years ago). I was so busy working the Seattle LGBT Film Festival at the time, I did not listen to it until almost two weeks, one month before I watched the DVD.

    i bought the Radiohead download when it came out in October, but have been unable to get it to play it. I am having issues with uploading it.

    I thought I could listen to it with my iTunes, but it won’t play.

    I have been busy for a couple months and did not have the time to focus on it.

    I can’t wait to hear the songs.

    Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

  491. lenny Says:

    No, I don’t know what you’re doing wrong — I’m listening to the album on my computer right now (through winamp, or you can use Windows Media Player). It also works on my ipod — by just dragging and dropping the album to my ipod device in iTunes. What are the file types of the songs in your download? Mine are mp3, just the same as all of my other digital music files. Did you get them in a different format?

  492. Ignis Sol Says:

    Thanks lenny!

    I tried Windows Media Player, too and it does not work.

    When I get home tonight I will try simply dragging and dropping into my iTunes. I tried before through the actual program before. There is now a response to my inquiry about In Rainbows in my mail….

    Unfortunately, my iPod (second one) was stolen. Other than my car, which was returned, that is the only “major purchase” I have had stolen. To me it was priceless because I work 1.5 miles to and from work everyday (accept with the weather really, really sucks). So, now I sing to myself. People must think I am nuts when I am singing, “do you give good head…” :0

  493. Ignis Sol Says:

    omg, that omiticon was accidental, I meant :)
    (embarrased)

  494. Kirsten Says:

    Wow, I can’t believe I missed These Days’ Birthday! Happy 1 month Birthday for the 18th These Days!

    And to my beautiful little baby, happy 4th birthday for today (the 20th)! RIP Billy. mwah.

  495. Ignis Sol Says:

    last night i dreamt that monkeys were trying to break into my childhood home after a nuclear bomb exploded.

  496. ScottMalobisky Says:

    RIP Billy ? mwah ?

  497. ScottMalobisky Says:

    I want you to STAAAAAAAAAAAAY BEEEEEEUUUUUUUTEEEEEFULL
    Baby……..
    I want you to STAAAAAAAAAAAAY American (or Australian)
    Baby…….

  498. Kirsten Says:

    Congratulations Bisky, the big 500!

    501 now, 165 to go…..

  499. Mr Cup Says:

    I am soooooo hung over today. Had the work party yesterday. Started with martini’s at 9.30am. Ended in backward somersaults off the boat.
    throb…throb…

    I have no photo’s on line Ignis, but guess what? We are the same age!

    I have to lie down now.

  500. maclure Says:

    Ahhh, I knew the party would still be kicking off here. Speaking of work parties, I was the only one in a tie yesterday. Brazilians are not formal, it has to be said. Wishing you all a merry Christmas…

  501. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Happy Hanukah and Rambunctious Ramadan

  502. ScottMalobisky Says:

    the Big 500 without metabolic steroids or HGH , just a series of multitudinous unphotogenic polypeptides forming me

  503. Ignis Sol Says:

    Eating too much food THESE DAYS with the Holiday.

    Went to the Sonics game last night and they lost to New Orleans. I drank beer.

    more parties tonight, tomorrow and all through the weekend. Whiskey sours for all.

  504. ScottMalobisky Says:

    I wish……….wistfully ……….worlds away…..

  505. Mr Cup Says:

    Happy festivities to all.

  506. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Happy Festivus

  507. Ignis Sol Says:

    yeahhhh!

    I could not get out bed to go to work today, so I hit the snooze alarm two times. While in bed in daze-hazey dreamworld, I thought to myself that on the next wake up, the DJ will be playing an R.E.M. song. I just FELT it. All was calm and quiet then…!

    Bap, bap, bap, bap….. “Beside yourself if radio’s gonna stay…”

    I stayed in bed until the next tune kicked in and began my day that will launch a four-day weekend.

    Happy Festivus, the Holiday for the rest of us!

    Again, check out kexp.org online, friends. Great music, diverse and you never know what is going to be played.

  508. ScottMalobisky Says:

    What’s the difference between in-laws and outlaws ?

  509. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Outlaws are wanted.

  510. lenny Says:

    Good one, Bisky.

    I have a good story to share — my 15-month old daughter Ella loves music, but it seemed like my wife’s music was having more influence on Ella than my music was. (Her favorite artist from birth was Dave Matthews.) But today in the car, I plugged in my ipod, hit shuffle songs, the first song that played was “We Walk” by R.E.M. I looked in the rearview mirror and she was bouncing and bopping her head back and forth to the happy beat. It just about brought a tear to my eye. After some non-REM songs, she also enjoyed Gardening at Night. That’s my girl…

    (Oddly enough, “We Walk” was included on a children’s music CD that my mother-in-law gave us, called “Mary had a little Amp”. Who said in-laws aren’t wanted?)

  511. ScottMalobisky Says:

    there are exceptions in non-dysfunctional family units

  512. ScottMalobisky Says:

    outta my brain on the 5:15, oh
    I’m outta my brain

  513. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Mexican minimum wage raised to $4.85
    A day

  514. Kirsten Says:

    Happy holidays to everyone and your families. Enjoy and most importantly – keep it safe!

    Ho Ho Ho

  515. Kirsten Says:

    Really! $4.85?? I’ve gotta move to Mexico….

  516. ScottMalobisky Says:

    all born on Christmas Eve: Ricky Martin , Lemmy, and Hamid Karzai

  517. ScottMalobisky Says:

    all born on Christmas Day:Jimmy Buffett ,Annie Lennox , Sissy Spacek ,Larry Csonka ,God

  518. Kirsten Says:

    Well, we’re slowly getting there. It might get a bit quiet here as people take holidays. I was listening to These Days yesterday – it really is an excellent song and does deserve this kind of attention.

  519. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Pink Floyd_____One Of Thse Days
    (I’m gonna chop you into little pieces)
    Companion piece to Careful With That Ax, Eugene

  520. Ignis Sol Says:

    the mountains are falling into my cereal bowl, quick get me a bigger spoon!

  521. Ignis Sol Says:

    I am feelin’ Stipey today.

  522. Kirsten Says:

    The strong man kicked sand into my breakfast cereal bowl
    I’d spelled your name with Oatios
    He messed it, messed it, messed it, messed it up.

  523. Kirsten Says:

    >>the mountains are falling into my cereal bowl, quick get me a bigger spoon!<<

    The same thing might have happened to Figgy after the earthquake they had over there.

  524. ScottMalobisky Says:

    ……the world is collapsing and I’m looking for answers beyond the great beyond…..

  525. Ignis Sol Says:

    …answers beyond my box of Otios!

    my name spelled in Otios: Ooooooo

  526. ScottMalobisky Says:

    New Year’s Day song :

    Around the Sun
    I Believe
    Begin The Begin

  527. Kirsten Says:

    New Years Song:

    Nothing ever happens
    Nothing happens at all
    The needle returns to the start of the song
    And we all sing along like before
    And we’ll all be lonely tonight
    And lonely tomorrow.

  528. Ignis Sol Says:

    hopefully when I wake up tomorrow I will be “lonely” with some one cute. ;)

    mean cats eat parakeets….

  529. ScottMalobisky Says:

    “nothing changes New Year’s Day” BUT ” chaaaaaaaaaaaange
    is what I believe in “, actually I’m looking very much forward to 2008 , should be a very interesting year on a personal and world level…didn’t really feel this way last year

    “And yesterday I saw you kissing tiny flowers
    But all that lives is born to die
    So I say to you that nothing really matters
    And all you do is stand and cry…….”

  530. Ignis Sol Says:

    I am up with the midnite flowers, reachin’ high up into the towers/i am up with the light of the moon, naked reflections upon a silver spoon..

    will you dance with me?

  531. Ignis Sol Says:

    SOMEONE DANCE WITH ME IN THE JAILHOUSE
    I’M WEARIN’ MY RHINSTONE SHOES
    I’M RIDDIN’ MY SELF OF THIS USELESS SPOUSE
    I’M LISTEN TO THE EVENIN’ NEWS
    YEAH YEAH….

    GIMME A DIVORCE, GIMME SOME PORN
    THE JURY KNOWS THAT I HAVE BEEN SWORN
    I’M LIVIN’ MY LIFE WITH A JALAPENO BURN
    CURIOUS BOYS ENTER ASHES INTO THE EMPTY URN
    DO YA BELIEVE?
    AY, DO YA BELIEVE IN LIFE?
    DO YA BE LEAVE?
    GIMME SOME CONCERN
    ALL I NEED TO KNOW, I ALREADY LEARN
    AMEN

  532. Ignis Sol Says:

    can you indulge me
    i am on the run
    looming useless in the midwestern sun
    two tracks are burning a hole into the ground
    cigarettes light in our mysterious round
    we talk of the ages, complain with our rages
    we lament the future with hope that won’t last
    we want these slow moments to quickly past
    we are strung from the clotheslines in american heat
    we are chicago, detroit we cannot be complete
    and if i were to know you
    for a minute or so
    would i somehow annoy you
    is is my time to go?
    we are adorned in our favorite rags
    we gather in circles under these sacred flags
    and we sing, sing, sing, sing, sing.

  533. Ignis Sol Says:

    a couple of lines are not grammatical, but they were written on the fly, can be quickly remedied, so please don’t ask me WHY!

  534. Ignis Sol Says:

    been heading in a new direction
    since aged seventeen
    it’s been a lot of hell with some
    heaven in between
    i thought i’d get by with some bits
    of my self-esteem
    i’m so dark clouded, it is
    like a Kafka dream

    o give me give me something to believe
    a dying flower with a scent of ill reprieve
    i am not going down alone this time
    is this my open-secret pantomime?

    gah, gah, gah GAH!!!

  535. ScottMalobisky Says:

    is that all original stuff, yours ?

  536. Ignis Sol Says:

    yeah, Scott it is mine. I wrote it last night directly into this blog. My guests had just left and I was unwinding with wine in my bloodstream and cheese in my stomach.

  537. Kirsten Says:

    Grey sky in one direction, Clear blue sky in the other direction
    Grey sky in one direction, Clear blue sky in the other direction
    Grey sky in one direction, Clear blue sky in the other direction
    The sun just came out, I can’t believe it
    The sun just came out, I can’t believe it
    The sun just came out, I can’t believe it
    Looks like everything’s gonna be OK

  538. lenny Says:

    Happy New Year everyone. I haven’t posted a message here in a long time — I almost gave up on these days.

    Nice Pink Floyd reference, Scott — One of These Days — I can’t believe I didn’t think of that sooner.

    Back to work today after 12.5 days off. Now…what music to listen to at work, REM or Pink Floyd?

  539. Ignis Sol Says:

    OH, MY….

    ………..from Wikipedia

    Accelerate is an album released in 2003 by American Christian pop group Jump5.

    The promo website countdown to their album was probably called “fortynights.”

    :)

  540. Kirsten Says:

    Never give up on These Days, Lenny. Never.

    Slowly but surely making our way to 550. I can only dream of being the one….

  541. Mr Cup Says:

    Happy New Year all.

  542. ScottMalobisky Says:

    there are three main points to this entry and you will be quizzed on the way out of the theater:

    1. Happy New Year, Cup

    2. Set The Controls For The Heart OF The Sun
    Accelerate

    3. What A Jack-Ass, Huckabee

  543. lenny Says:

    Sorry, Kristen — those of us in the Northern Hemisphere are in the dead of winter — a time for the abandonment of all hope and the listening to and quoting of Pink Floyd. Actually, I like the dead of winter — I got new skis for Christmas and can’t wait to try them out. But I have listened to a lot of Pink Floyd this week.

    “Why can’t we play today; why can’t we stay that way?”
    – (Name that one, Scott)

  544. lenny Says:

    By the way…I Heart Huckabees.
    (The movie, not the candidate.)

  545. lenny Says:

    I must be out of practice here — message #545 should have read “Sorry, KIRSTEN”. And now I’m sorry again, Kirsten. (I know that I would hate if people assumed my name was spelled a different way, or even if it was by accident.)

  546. lenny Says:

    I meant message #546, not #545. Is there any other way I can add unnecessarily to the These Days message tally?

  547. Ignis Sol Says:

    the dead of winter — a time for the abandonment of all hope (lenny)

    someone who is worth it in this murkiness :)

    heavy, dreary skies pressing down on me
    heavy, dreary skies pressing down on me
    celestial entities are collapsing down on me
    You won’t hear me whisper, you won’t hear me breathe
    This seasonal change of mercy has choked the life out of me

    :)

  548. ScottMalobisky Says:

    uh, Lenny, that would be ‘Remember A Day’ one of my faves from that record , almost like that one as much as ‘Seesaw; yes yes , early Floyd , those innocent short dreamy songs . no words to describe the feeling of nostalgia I get from these two songs. I’m sure you know, Lenny , how they got the name Pink Floyd ? eh ? how about Zeppelin ? do you know the story of how they got their name ?

    feeling gravity’s pull , eh ,Ignis ?

    Happy Birthday Stephen Stills and John Paul Jones
    63 and 62 respectively

  549. Ignis Sol Says:

    i am feelin’ gravity crushing me…like a grape…and my wine is bitter and fruitless

    yeah, Happy Birthday to Stephen and John Paul!

    do you celebrate the day when your heart dies and soul evaporates?

  550. ScottMalobisky Says:

    did JPJ raise a glass with Stipey during the AFTP sessions ….considering……the proximity of ……?

    well, Ignis , Zep got Celebration Day but I don’t think it’s about that

    Seatle was recently rated the nations most literate city , #2 Minneapolis.

  551. ScottMalobisky Says:

    lenny, I once wrote verbatim the lyrics for Wish You Were Here (the song) on a bathroom stall wall while doing my business there in this bleak fiberglass autobody replacement parts plastic plant that I worked at for awhile after screwing up my first year of college, funny my foreman was pissed not so much about what I may or may not have been saying there but he was pissed about the fact that I was on the clock while doing it………and at the end of that first year of college that I screwed up so royally I wrote verbatim those same lyrics on the front page of my Physics final because I was so hopelessly failing the class ; I can’t believe to this day that I went to school initially for Engineering –I mean–I was high all the time and completely clueless, I mean you fall a little bit behind in advanced calculus and chemistry and physics and it totally snowballs into an impossibly unmanageable situation. I was such an immature child-stoner-fool then , all I did was do bongs and listen to PF Animals over and over. Not the correct formula for succeeding in Engineering, which I really wasn’t interested in anyhow, was just tryingto take a major that would get me a decent job. I was such an idiot then.

  552. Mr Cup Says:

    See? I knew Pink Floyd were bad for your health!

  553. Kirsten Says:

    Hi Lenny. Don’t worry about my name, I get Kristen a lot. I also get called Catherine a fair bit too – not really sure why though…..

  554. Kirsten Says:

    Speaking of the weather: 1am New Year’s Day. Still 35 deg (C), drinking a nice cool beer, listening to Reveal. Dancing the rhu-rhu-rhu-rhu-rhumba. A perfect Summer album. What a great way to start a new year.

    Hope you’re safe from those fires over there, Mr Cup. I saw them on the news last night and thought of you.

  555. Kirsten Says:

    Oh, and one last thing. 1 very important thing.

    HAPPY 48th BIRTHDAY MICHAEL!!

    Walked down to a nearby lake at lunch time with my ipod and found a lovely spot in the shade (way too hot for sunbaking today) and over indulged in Stipiness. And come 5 O’clock, it’ll be a Michael Stipe Celebration weekend!

  556. ScottMalobisky Says:

    I knew you wanted to mention that Kirsten so I let you say it first . I’m not too far behind him ,I’ll be 48 in June , we live parallel but very seperate lives.

  557. Kirsten Says:

    Thanks Scott, I appreciate that. I don’t have much else in my life…..
    :-)

  558. Mr Cup Says:

    Safe from the fires thanks Kirsten. They are nearly always in the hills on the outskirts of the city and nearly always lit by f-wits.

    It’s just frickin HOT. How many times can it hit 40 before the height of summer?

    PS. Congrats on the iPod!

  559. ScottMalobisky Says:

    and interestingly we here in America are getting a real winter-like winter this year, lots of cold and snow , and for me here in SD , lots of rain (with snow in the mountains)…been a while and I love it , makes me think that perhaps the world ain’t deteriorating so quickly from Global Warming after all, maybe…a good old-fashioned winter like when I was a kid . I wonder where and how Stipey is celebrating his b-day ?? Stuff like that drives me crazy like how I’ll never see the wallpaper in David Gilmour’s master bathroom or I’ll never see what Jimmy Page’s kitchen looks like, I mean really I wonder what it looks like..??!!..But then my typical thought process always plays itself out until the next time and I get past such nonsense and realize how fortunate I am compared to the vast majority of the planet and I focus in on what I can appreciate and see.

    Good Day Now.

  560. Ignis Sol Says:

    There has been a lot of snow in the mountains here, too. I appreciate my view from my work desk of the Olympic mountains beyond Puget Sound. Beautiful. Usually, the snow is lighter on parts of this range due to the particular climate (especially as it slopes to the Pacific Ocean), but today it looks tasty white frosting on top of a chocolate cupcake. Mostly blue skies.

    I hope Michael Stipe is enjoying his own cake with frosting. Happy Birthday, Stipe!

  561. Ignis Sol Says:

    …………or you could put some frosting on me and…………….

  562. Ignis Sol Says:

    Hey Kirsten are you gonna make a birthday party cheesecake for Michael and invite all the LBs?

  563. Mr Cup Says:

    I remember when I was a kid, out of the blue asking myself ‘What is Burt Reynolds doing RIGHT NOW?’.

    Burt Reynolds. This was probably at the height of Cannonball Run’s success. But I really wanted to know.

    This fame thing, I don’t get it.

    Burt Reynolds.

  564. Ignis Sol Says:

    Burt Reynolds was in Boogie Nights directed by PT Anderson who directs There Will Be Blood which opens this weekend and I really want to see it.
    Just sayin’ y’all.

    I wonder what Mr Cup’s doing RIGHT NOW?

  565. ScottMalobisky Says:

    now that’s a damn good question
    I wonder if when he sees blue he sees the same blue that I see .
    or if you do for that mattter , Ignis

    BTW , so sorry my brother, but I’ll be rooting for the Skinnies tomorrow, nothing personal :)
    prelude to the Steelers throwdown and hopefully the Steelers will be the ones doing the throwing down
    although I have my serious doubts

  566. Ignis Sol Says:

    hmmm, looks like we got a lil’ competition here, buddy.

    the Skins are bound to make a few false starts for sure since Qwest field is soooo g.d. loud! It is supposed to be stormy tomorrow, too (but where won’t it be stormy tomorrow in the US?).

    Well, at least I know what YOU will be doing tomorrow at the same time as me…. watchin’ the game (I will have a beer on and for you, my sane and sober friend).

  567. Mr Cup Says:

    Oh Ignis, that would be beyond the scope of this blog!

    Nah, just kidding. I’m drinking coffee and contemplating the bigger issues facing kids today. Beach or pool?

    I too pondered the ’seeing the same colour’ thing. Now be honest Bisky…did you wrap your hand in plastic to try to look through it?

  568. ScottMalobisky Says:

    no , I did not this time…….in a way when I think of blindness I compare what it must be like to a normal person trying to imagine a totally different color, try to imagine a totally different color if you will , not a combination of existing colors or anything like that, maybe there is one out there on a different planet or something…..and if you were blind , would you rather have been blind from birth or would you rather have lost your sight sometime in your adult life ?
    if you were a domesticated indoor cat who was kept inside all it’s life you wouldn’t know what you
    were missing outside so maybe it would be better to be blind from birth , no ?, and you’d be more used to it , not so prone to freak out from frustration ….Imagine trying to describe the concept of color to a blind person, trying to describe red or green or purple or gold to someone who has never seen anything but darkness. weird.

    Cool songs : Queens Of The Stone Age; ‘No One Knows’ and ‘Everybody Knows That You’re Insane”

  569. Ignis Sol Says:

    i once saw a movie where a character was describing color to a blind person. he gave the young blind girl a rock that had been in boiling water and he said, “this is red….and when it cools down it will be pink.” He handed her some fluffy cotton and described it as white and so on….

  570. ScottMalobisky Says:

    right , but still , that would be so inadequate , if a person has no concept of light , having never experienced it. hard to fathom

  571. ScottMalobisky Says:

    WOW Ignis . the Swami just predicted the SEAHAWKS vs. the Pats in SBXLII, missed his reasoning , how he figures Seattle will get past Dallas I do not know… Not since 1993 has the SB been between the #1 seeded teams so I guess there is a chance that someone will be there besides NE and Dallas , although this year more than ever the two participants seem inevitable. But then again somehing happened on the way to Hillary’s “inevitabl” coronation , eh ?? Why I dislike her so I am really not sure..I do like Bill.

  572. ScottMalobisky Says:

    rainy day dream away let the sun take a holiday
    1983 a merman I should turn to be _____Hendrix
    on days like these I like to drink in the morning
    then smoke a little dope . but shit I don’t do that anymore . that sucks.

  573. Ignis Sol Says:

    goooooooooooooo Seahawks!!!!!!!

  574. Ignis Sol Says:

    just wait, Bisky……

  575. Ignis Sol Says:

    god, my city looks great on TV, eh?

  576. Ignis Sol Says:

    you can actually see the building I work in from the north shots of the endzone!!!

  577. Ignis Sol Says:

    TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  578. Ignis Sol Says:

    WE WON

  579. ScottMalobisky Says:

    the referee’s name is Scott Green
    I’m figurin’ that’s a good omen

  580. Ignis Sol Says:

    anything Green is good, my friend.

  581. ScottMalobisky Says:

    Columbus’s groin was filled with green death.
    Word is he could’t afford health insurance.

  582. Kirsten Says:

    Thanks Mr Cup, time to move into the 21st century. Just gotta work out how to use the thing now.

    I had a blind budgie, Ted. (Yes, their names WERE Bill & Ted) It was amazing to watch how clever he was at working out and remembering where things were. Billy was good at helping him out, too. Poor little baby only lived for 5 months though. The brain desease that caused his blindness took him from us.

    And I must be honest, I’ve only ever watched 1 American footy game, and really didn’t get it. I don’t get soccer either. Sorry guys.
    Carn the Bombers!

  583. Ignis Sol Says:

    I don’t get it either, I just like to drink beer and get wild.

  584. Mr Cup Says:

    I’d like to see them take their body armor off and see how they strut it. Otherwise I find it too slow.

    Will you be barracking for the Freo Bombers this year Kirsten?

  585. ScottMalobisky Says:

    “I find it too slow”, what ? the later REM ? :)

  586. Kirsten Says:

    Freo Bombers? Didn’t even know they existed, but am more than happy to do so. Which league are we talking??

  587. Kirsten Says:

    And the boys in tight shorts perhaps too Ignis?

  588. Mr Cup Says:

    Kirsten: AFL. The Dockers have taken coaching staff and players from the Bombers, hence the term Freo Bombers.

    Bisky: The thing you call football I think. Being unaware of the subtleties of the game I was just watching as an observer. Too slow. Stop.Start.Stop.Start etc……………Nothing seemed to flow.

  589. ScottMalobisky Says: